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ろんさん
 1 

1次海賊の銃の場合です。
ムーンサルト20
ダブルファイア20
ダッシュ10
クイック11

ムーンサルト使うとレベル上げがラクかも。
どうでしょ?

2008 7/31 2:32 PM
アラジン
 2 

俺は、ムーンサルト&ストレートのどっちかを上げてクイックは10以上ダッシュは10でいいと思うよw

まぁおれは、ムーンサルト&ストレートどっちもあげてるけどねぇ~(^w^);

2008 7/31 3:15 PM
月光
 3 

最初はムーン1であとはストレートをMAXまであげます。その次はクイックモーションをMAXまであげます。(クイックを上げているとき、ダッシュ1を上げてもおkです)余ったPはムーンでもダッシュでもいいです。(おすすめはムーンです)

2008 7/31 5:34 PM
煉獄蝶
 4 

インファイターにする海賊だったら

ストレート 15
ムーンサルト 15
ダッシュ 10
クイック 20

てな感じでどうでしょう。転職ボーナスは含んでないです。
ストレートとムーンサルトはどっちが強いかよくわからないんで
ストレート20 ムーンサルト5
とか
ストレート5 ムーンサルト20
とかでいいんじゃないですかね。
命中はクイックで稼いでおいたほうが楽かと。
ダッシュは移動スキルで重宝するためMAXで。
あくまで個人の見解ですので。

2008 7/31 7:01 PM
肺胞キャノン
 5 

初めて投票します。 ナックル賊系だけ教えます。 クイック11  ストレート20  ムーンサルト20   ダッシュ10                         2次:HP増加量向上?10  ナックルマスター20 ブースター20  バックスピンブロー20       ダブルアッパー20   スクリューパンチ20     MPリカバリー1  オーク10              3次:スタンマスター11   エナジーチャージ40  エナジー系は全てMAX   覚醒状態20      ショックウェイブ30                    愚痴を言うならご自由にw                ちなみに一部更新されてないのでご了承ください。 ちなみにスキルは攻撃重視w              肺胞キャノンは24レベでナックル賊でプラムの9チャンでやってます。友録はご自由にw    

2008 7/31 8:34 PM
ガンサイト
 6 

銃の場合
ダブルファイア20
↓ ↓
ダッシュ10  ダッシュ1     
↓        ↓
クイック11   クイック20
↓        ↓
ムーンサルト20 ムーンサルト20

がいいじゃないんですか?ストレートは不要。

2008 7/31 8:43 PM
匿名
 7 

今日1日で銃を30まで上げましたが、実際に使ってみて思った1次スキル振りは

DFMAX→ダッシュ1→ムーンサルトMAX→ダッシュMAX→余りクイック

でした。
ムーンサルトは銃でもかなり使えます。

2008 7/31 10:43 PM
ゴン
 8 

武道家(インファイター)の方だと・・・
まず・・・
ストレート10
   ↓
ムーンサルト20
   ↓
ダッシュ1
   ↓
クイック11
   ↓
ダッシュ20

がいいかと思います
あくまで自分の考えです

2008 8/1 1:44 AM
ゴン
 9 

ミスりました

最後のダッシュ10です

2008 8/1 1:44 AM
ゴン
 10 

俺が思うに・・・
武道家(インファイター)には
ダッシュは必要だと思います
近距離戦だから
敵に近づくために
ダッシュは必要だと思う
狩り効率アップなら
ダッシュMAXにするべき

2008 8/1 1:48 AM
むねっちー
 11 

海賊銃の場合   スキルレベル
クイックモーション  20
ダブルファイア    20
ダッシュ        10
ムーンサルト     11
STRとDEXは石弓とほぼ一緒ですのであれですが
3次以降は回避能力が高いほうがいいと思われますのでこれにしました。後半回避で振りなおし書に投資するよりはいいかと思われます・・・。

2008 8/1 2:30 AM
海賊さん
 12 

39レベまでいっておもったのですがはっきりいってストレートほとんど使いません。
なので
ムーン
クイック
ダッシュ
をMAXにして残りをストレートに振ったほうがよいかと思います2次ならダブルアッパーもありますし

2008 8/1 5:42 AM
ナナシー
 13 

アリの巣みたいな沸き場では、銃の場合ムーンサルトはかなり使えます。ダッシュは、つなぎにしか使わないのであまり上げなくてよいかと。
なので↓

銃の場合
ダッシュ1
ダブルファイア20
ムーンサルト20
クイックモーション20

でどうでしょう。

2008 8/1 9:34 AM
海賊?いいえ、ケフィアです。
 14 

ストレト・サルトMAX
クイック11
ダッシュ10
オレもこんな振り方なんだが、「オレの振り方結構特殊か?」なんて思ってたが
そうでも無いんだなww
2次のパンチ以外にディレイがあるって噂を耳にしたもんだからストレトMAXにしたんだが・・・
格闘家は2次から命中・回避の計算式が変わって
命中あがりにくくなるとかwwworz

2008 8/1 9:43 AM
海v卍殴卍v賊
 15 

俺の場合は
ストレート、ムーンサルト、クイックモーションをMAXのしてるけど ダッシュはそんなに上げなくてもいいと思うけど@w@

2008 8/1 11:02 AM
ガンサイト
 16 

やっぱり銃はクイック11でいいね。
元々命中には困らない職だし。
他は
ムーンサルト、ダッシュ、ダブルファイアMAXで
ちょうどいいと思う。

2008 8/1 11:05 AM
kazn
 17 

スローイン使いやすいです^^
スローインは撃った後にほとんどとまらないから
ちょっとむずかしいけど、、
インビジブルショットと同時に撃てます^^
140%×6体と170%×3体で最高1350%に。
安置あるとこじゃないと使いにくいけど><

2008 8/1 11:37 AM
振り分けはこれで完璧!
 18 

ストレート1
  ↓
ムーンサルトMAX
  ↓
クイックモーションMAX
  ↓
ダッシュMAX
  ↓
ストレートMAX
で完璧だと思いますよw

2008 8/1 11:42 AM
振り分けはこれで完璧!
 19 

↑のやつはインファイター系ですw
スマソw

2008 8/1 11:44 AM
肺胞キャノン
 20 

あ~やっと2次職したぁ~。只今31レベに。     スキルは攻撃系スキルが良いかな。(俺なりに)だってナックル賊は攻撃力が命だからねぇ~・・・・・・・まあ特に重要なスキルはパンチとかバックエルボーとか。MPリカバリー以外は全てマックスにしといたほうが良い。MPリカバリーは1だけ。 

2008 8/1 9:41 PM
 21 

銃系だと
ダブルファイアー
    ↓
  ダッシュ
    ↓
  ご自由にw

でいいと思いますよ
結局つかうのはこの二つだけだと思いますので

2008 8/1 10:53 PM
葉っぱ
 22 

やっぱ銃はムーンサルトMAXにしても問題ないよね・・・・。

2008 8/1 11:17 PM
元帥
 23 

クイックモーションとムーンサルト・・・・・
クイック11ムーン20
クイック20ムーン11に分かれましたね;
最終的に、どちらを20にしてどちらを11にすればいいのでしょうか;

2008 8/1 11:51 PM
kazn
 24 

ムーンサルトはMAXにしても問題ないけど
2次になって使おうとあんまり思わない;;
だったら命中あげたほうが
低Lvでのボス戦など、例えば早くから姉御を吸わしてもらったり大親分など低Lvでも必中になったり、、、
ボス以外では当たっても火力が問題になってくると
思いますが><

2008 8/1 11:52 PM
元帥
 25 

でも元々銃は命中高いですし(DEX的に)、
レベ高いところ吸ったりしても、火力差が
目立つのではないでしょうか。
基本銃火力低いですから。。。

2008 8/2 12:07 AM
kazn
 26 

使わないサマーソルトにあげるよりは><
それにスローインとインビジブルショット同時に使うと
拳にはおとりますが44Lvでも5分7~8%かせげたと
装備は武器100%張り攻撃6軍手とタオルDEX10のものを使ってますが。。
30代は火力がかなりおとってみえます><

2008 8/2 12:14 AM
匿名
 27 

拳1次ですが、ストレートとムーン共に将来的にデッドスキルになるのなら
槍装備ムーンでレベル上げしてストレート捨てるのも良いと思います。
これならクイックとダッシュをMAXまで上げれます(まだ育成してないですが)

2008 8/2 2:55 AM
元帥
 28 

そうなんですよねぇ。
問題はムーンサルトの実用性ですよね。
ムーンサルト実際、2次以降つかうことはあるのでしょうか。
そこが一番重要ですよね。
敵に複数囲まれたときに使うという人もいましたが・・・・・・・

2008 8/2 8:38 AM
ニコバン
 29 

俺は、インファイターで、ストレートを11まであげ、残りはダッシュ、ムーンサルト、クイックモーションをMAXまであげました。最初の40lvあたりまではバイタライズやブースター、ナックルマスタリーをあげたりするので攻撃スキルをあとまわしに振る事になるはずです。その間はムーンサルトMAXないとキツイという印象です。(最初パンチに1振りました)パンチやって一箇所に集めてムーンサルトのコンビ技でやると効率いいですよ。

2008 8/2 9:16 AM
一応匿名で
 30 

色々議論されているようですが、
正直一次を銃でやる場合、ムーンサルトは威力が低くてあまり使えません。
近づいてムーンサルト連打するより、ダッシュやジャンプで離れてダブルファイアを連打したほうが効率がよいです。
ダブルファイアは、通常攻撃の二倍近い速度で攻撃できますからね。
(通常攻撃が攻撃前後にディレイがあるのに対し、ダブルファイアはほとんど無く、キー押しっぱなしでかなり連射できます)
大してムーンサルトは、複数攻撃できるものの、
一回転するのでダブルファイアに比べ攻撃速度が遅く、
ダメージがSTR依存なのでDEXの高い銃ではあまり攻撃力が高くなりません。
せいぜい、序盤でJタコを使っている場合、ピグレベルくらいだったらまだ使えるか、って程度です。
レベルが上がればあがるほどナックルの場合とのSTRは開き、どんどん弱くなっていきます。
正直、銃の場合二次のスローインとインビジブルショットがあるので、
ムーンサルトを無理に上げるよりはダブルファイア、クイックモーション、ダッシュをMAXまで上げ、
残りを転職用にストレートとムーンサルトに振る、といった感じでいいと思います。

2008 8/2 11:34 AM
 31 

インファイターしか育ててないので大きなことは言えませんが・・・
個人的にダッシュは必要性が薄いです。MAXでヘイストと同等な上に経済的にも悪い。それにタオルと革靴と丸薬で補えます。
まずストレートはあげたいところですけど・・・あたり判定が狭いので敵に当てづらいです。そこでバランス良くムーンサルトをあげていきます。これは上方に大きく当たり判定がありストレートで処理できないところまで届くので使い勝手がいいです。
それと、格闘家スキルは「連打」を続けるよりは「スキルを組み合わせる」感じなのでストレートだけを極めるのはオススメしません
それとダッシュは基本必要ないので、乏しい命中率を底上げするためにクイックモーションをMAXにするのを推奨します。

2008 8/2 12:33 PM
元帥
 32 

やっぱりそうですか^^
ムーンサルトを無理に使う必要はないということですね。
余ったら必然的に上げる、そんな感じですかね
STR依存するし・・・・・・

2008 8/2 3:50 PM
適用後
 33 

銃なんですが割り振りわかんなくてクイックMAX   ダブルファイアMAX まではいきましたが 25レベでムーンサルトは1ですww

2008 8/2 4:05 PM
海賊
 34 

格闘家なら接近だし、回避とかもいるからクイックをマスターしてそのたMAXでダッシュ1でいいでしょ。

2008 8/2 6:47 PM
unlucky
 35 

ようやく二次を迎えようとしている銃使いですが・・
ダブル1
サルト1→ダブルMAX
ダッシュMAX
クイックMAX
残りをサルトにまわしてる感じです。投げの感覚でジャンプ撃ちしてればアリの巣やサソリでも全然狩れます。ムーンサルトは後始末やタゲ取り程度にしか使わなかったので、1のままでも十分でした。
将来補正のついた防具を使うならばタオルの移動補正も無くなりますし、移動用と考えてもダッシュはMAXが良いかと。

2008 8/2 7:56 PM
水無月
 36 

バックエルボーはバイタライズ振り終わったら1だけ振っておくべきではないでしょうか?
1でもスタン100%はかわらないなら1あるだけで結構ちがうとおもうんですけど・・・

2008 8/2 11:39 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 37 

ダッシュの必要性は十分あると思いますが、
なぜならヘイストの効果を打ち消さない
MCでヘイストかけてもらって試したのですがダッシュを発動し、切っても移動速度はヘイスト分のままでした。

2008 8/4 12:42 AM
雑魚斬り賊
 38 

ついでにいうといつでもヘイストがもらえるというわけではないし、タオルや革靴で移動をあげても限度がある
靴は移動よりジャンプ書でdexをあげたほうがいい
海賊はウリボウもらえないらしいしな
ちなみにダッシュ1じゃっほとんど使い物にならない

2008 8/4 2:12 AM
Captain
 39 

銃系の振り方、偏見ですが申し上げます、
幾人かはムーンサルトは11でいいと仰っていましたが、実際はMAXにしたほうがいいと思います。
30lvからの弾丸をスコルピオンで狙う場合などにかなり使えます、2次転職すると銃でもムーンサルトはなかなか威力がありますよ。MAXにして損はないかと。
1次の振り方は
DFMAX→ムーンサルトMAX→ダッシュ MAX→QM11でいいと思います。 

2008 8/4 2:59 AM
ガンサイト
 40 

ムーンかクイックかについて

まずダメージ書いたほうがいいのでは?
それなら強弱わかり易いですしね。
LVとスキルLVも。

2008 8/4 8:00 AM
かいぞくやろう
 41 

初めてのカキコです
話を聞いてると結局インファイターの1次と2次の
スキルってどうやってあげればいの?
おしえてー

2008 8/4 10:05 AM
 42 

パンチの使い勝手が糞だと思ってるんですが
どうでしょう?そう思ってる人いませんか

2008 8/4 4:06 PM
o狂龍o
 43 

パンチはムーンサルトと連携で使ってみたら一気にかれないかなあ~?

2008 8/4 5:16 PM
賊xルカx賊
 44 

はじめまして、僕30の銃です。さくらで活動していますのでよければ友録たくさんよろです。

2008 8/4 6:45 PM
海賊じゃぞー
 45 

ぼくは今日メイプルストーリーを始めました。
スキルとかわかんないのでおしえてください。。。

2008 8/5 8:15 AM
拳銃士
 46 

拳の場合:ストレートかムーンを11にして11じゃない方は20にします
クイックをMAXにしてそのあとダッシュをMAXにします

2008 8/5 11:53 AM
sdf
 47 

ガンでストレートするとまじでよわいから        ムンーサルトがいいかな。                俺てきにダッシュは3だけでいいとおもう

2008 8/5 10:21 PM
sdf
 48 

ガンスリンガーはストレートとムンーサルトは     

2008 8/5 10:23 PM
sdf
 49 

20がいいと思う

2008 8/5 10:24 PM
sdf
 50 

50番まちがった・・・・・

2008 8/5 10:26 PM
匿名
 51 

銃のムーンサルトですけど2次に範囲攻撃がいくらかあるので不要では?
余ったら振る、くらいでいいと思いますけどね。
囲まれてもフェイクでスタンやバックショットなど間を空ける方法は結構ありますし。

2008 8/5 10:30 PM
さあ
 52 

2次のエルボはMAXにするより気絶専用スキルとして使いますねぇ。発動遅いしあまり使い勝手も良くないので1だけ振ってクイックに振ってます。それでダッシュとクイックMAXにしてます。

2008 8/5 11:07 PM
インファイター(現在二次)
 53 

ダッシュの有効性について。
効果時間の余りの短さと攻撃をすると解けてしまう特性ゆえ、ダッシュは本当にいるのか? と疑問を抱く方が多いでしょう。ダッシュにきちんと振っている方で、一次の攻撃スキルはどうせ使わなくなるし、と消去法で振って使ってないという方がかなりの割合を占めると思います。
ここで一つ意義を申し立ててみましょう。
使い方ではなく、考え方の違いです。どうしても同じ移動能力アップ系のヘイストと比べて見劣りしてしまうダッシュですが、同次元で考えるのが間違っています。一次スキルですし。
注目したいのが、硬直時間の短さとMP消費の少なさです。
全職全スキルで類を見ないほどダッシュには硬直時間がないに等しいです(正確にはボタンを押す手間程度)。その為、敵との僅かな間合い詰めに使用しても硬直時間が災いして敵と接触してしまった、等の事故は操作ミス以外にありません。
消費MPはMAX時でたったの5。ちなみにヘイストは30です。
これらから考えるに使用法は継続ではなく、細々とした連続使用。それゆえ、ダッシュと比べるべきはヘイストではなく、本質的にはテレポなのです。
テレポと同次元で考えるなら、それほど悪い物ではありません。ヘイストを連打する馬鹿はいませんが、テレポはそれこそほんの一瞬でも必要性を感じれば使用します。テレポの効果時間を考えれば、ダッシュの20秒は多いぐらいです。
攻撃→即座にダッシュを使用し、間合いを詰めるor間合いを取る。勿体無いなどとケチらない。そうすれば、もっとこのスキルを有効的に使えるでしょう。
……長々とお粗末さまでした。

2008 8/6 12:40 AM
ガンスリンガー使用者
 54 

2次で振ろうという考えはないのか?
どうせ中途半端に振ったところで3次以降使わないだろうし。

2008 8/6 8:24 AM
海賊いいね
 55 

2次でいいスキル振り方教えてください;

2008 8/6 5:11 PM
阿呆くん
 56 

2次の殴り

バイタライズ10

ナックルマスタリー10

ブースター5

パンチ20

ナックルマスタリー20

ダブルアッパー20

バックエルボー20

ブースター20

MPリカバリー10

オーク1

まだここまで育ててませんがだいたいこんな感じでいく予定w

参考になればありがたいです;

2008 8/7 1:15 AM
ぶれんでぃ~
 57 

初です^^
34インファイターです。
今日2次攻撃スキルを振ってみましたが、どれも使い勝手は難しそう^^;
私は単体より群れ@。@
なのでバックorパンチ →ムーンの組み合わせがいいかと思いました。
ただパンチの貯めがよく分らない・・==;
&MAXまで貯めた火力は大きそうだけど、その間に数叩き込んだら越える・・?など思いました。
まだ低レベなんでわからないですけどね^^;

2008 8/7 1:59 AM
匿名
 58 

ストレートとムーンサルトをどっちをMAXでとっちを11にすればいいかを迷っています。         意見をください。(T○T)

2008 8/7 11:45 AM
よっしー
 59 

ストレートははっきりいって使いません
2次でWアッパーも入りますし
ムーンサルトは3次後半になってもまだまだつかいます
なのでストレートを11にしたほうがいいですよ

2008 8/7 2:53 PM
よっしー
 60 

↑すみません
インファイターの場合ですので
ご了承ください

2008 8/7 2:54 PM
よっしー
 61 

3次(バッカニア)のスキル振り

エネルギーチャージ4

エネルギーバスター30(MAX)

スタンマスタリー20(MAX)

エネルギーチャージ40(MAX)

エネルギードレイン30(MAX)

トランスフォーム1

ショックウェイブ21

トランスフォーム20(MAX)

3次のバッカニアはエネルギー系統が主力となるのでまずあげていきます

トランスフォームは1でも20でも効果時間はかわらないので他を上げきるまでは1でおkです

ショックウェイブは4次のドラゴンストライクとかぶるのでここではたいしてあげる必要はないです

エネルギードレインはMAXでもダメージ量の20%回復とありますが実質HPの72%回復するので以外と重要です

2008 8/7 3:54 PM
( ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ー ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄)ノやぁ♪
 62 

初めてコメントします。
2次になってまだダッシュは1ですが、2次に振るとしたら何を捨てればいいですか?。

2008 8/8 2:25 PM
投げ賊
 63 

( ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ー ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄)ノやぁ♪sへ
オークとMPリカバリーを捨てればイイと思います

2008 8/8 10:06 PM
一次
 64 

格闘家一次
ストレート1
クイック20
サマーソルト20
ストレート20
ダブルファイア1
ダッシュはいらない。捨てスキル。
暴発して使いづらいうえにMP消費が激しい。

2008 8/8 10:49 PM
二次
 65 

格闘家二次
バイタライズ10
パンチ1
ナックルマスタリー20
ブースター6
パンチ20
エルボーorダブルアッパー
を両方MAX(20)まで振る
順番は自由
ブースター20
残りはオークかMPリカバリー
またはダブルファイアあたりに振るといいでしょう(11P)

2008 8/8 10:55 PM
大和
 66 

投げ賊s
ありがとうございました

2008 8/8 11:31 PM
名無
 67 

バッカニア
エネルギーチャージ1
ショックウェーブMAX
トランスフォームMAX
エネルギーバスターMAX
エネルギーチャージMAX
最後にスタンマスタリー
エネルギードレインは捨てる

まず、ショックウェーブはムーンサルトしか有用な範囲を持たない拳にとっては必須のスキル。
トランスフォームの発動条件を考慮してもMAX推奨。
ドラゴンストライクと被るとかいう奴がいるが、4次スキルをマスターするのにどれだけ時間がかかるか。それにもっとほかに優先すべきスキルがあるためドラゴンストライクは後回しになる可能性が高い。
したがって有用な範囲攻撃であるショックウェーブを21で止めるのはありえない。
トランスフォームはMAXになれば8分のクールタイムが必要だが2分発動時間があるので実質6分に1回ということになる。
エネルギーチャージはスキル効果と薬が併用できないため、最初のSP1をまず振って、後から上げる。
エネルギーバスターはスキルディレイがあるため連発できないのであまり効率は期待できない。
エネルギードレインなんて半端な攻撃をするぐらいなら薬使ってもっと強いスキルを出せばいいので捨て。

2008 8/9 1:11 AM
名無
 68 

上記訂正
エネルギーチャージ1の振った後にトランスフォーム1振る。

2008 8/9 1:16 AM
ひかる
 69 

こちらのサイトはコメントもとても参考になりますね。
以前めいぽ同盟という何年も更新されていないサイトを参考にして育成したせいで大失敗したことがあります。
こちらのサイトのようにページにコメントが出来るようになってれば失敗しなくてすんだと思います。
いまだにめいぽ同盟にリンクしている悪質なサイトもありますが。。。
それではまたスキル振りを考えたときにコメントしますノシ

2008 8/9 9:53 AM
匿名
 70 

>>69
めいぽ同盟を馬鹿にするような発言は控えていただきたい
めいぽ同盟が今の育成の基盤を作ってきた
それも知らずに何を言う

2008 8/10 6:16 PM
背徳の炎
 71 

あのサイトバカにすることはゆるさないよ

2008 8/10 6:36 PM
おいしい生活
 72 

馬鹿にしているようには読めませんけど…。
基盤となるような優れたところだったとしても、いつまでも古い情報を載せていて、被害を受ける人がいるのだとすれば、悪質と言いたい気持ちもわかります。

2008 8/10 6:45 PM
名無
 73 

めいぽ同盟は確かに育成サイトの基盤となるサイトだが、流石にもう2,3年前の情報を乗せている以上、優秀なサイトではない。
これはネトゲというアップデートを重ねる毎に情報が変わっていくゲームではしかたがないことではある。

これ以上はこの記事のコメントには不適切なので続けるのなら雑談でやれ。終了。

2008 8/10 6:46 PM
 74 

コン━━━(*´ω`)ゞ━━━ニチワ~ッス★

ガンスリンガーのスキル振り教えてくださいww

2008 8/11 11:37 AM
ちょわっち
 75 

拳の二次試験のときストレートが必ず必要になるので最低でも1はふっといたほうがいいですよ(振ることになるだろうけど) サルトで全職武器の方は後で後悔するかもしれません

2008 8/12 2:31 PM
おはよう
 76 

MPリカバリーっているの

2008 8/13 12:56 AM
海XクロスX賊
 77 

僕ダッシュそんなにいらないと思うだけど
ムーンサルトMAXストレートMAXクイックMAX
にしたいんだけどダッシュの必要さがよくわからないのでダッシュMAXの必要さだれか詳しくおしえてください

2008 8/13 3:27 PM
一応匿名で
 78 

ダッシュをMAXにすると、少ないコストですばやい移動が可能になります。
硬直も少なく、連続で使用しても大してMPは消費しません。
狩りにおいても移動においても、優秀なスキルです。
ですが、使いづらい人もいるでしょうし、人によっては切るのもひとつの選択肢。
ですが、中途半端に振るくらいなら0かMAXにしましょう。
ストレートは、ムーンサルトの強さから考えて11で十分。

2008 8/14 3:25 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 79 

ダッシュは1~9は中途半端で消費MPが少し高めなので中途半端にあげるならあげないほうがいいと思います。
友達はクイック削ってました((
クイックはあまり削らないほうがいいんですがね
基本的に安定しないストレートで一撃で狩れるところなんてほとんどないので、メインはムーンで複数攻撃するという感じになります。
そのため、100くらいの拳は狩り場が限られるはずです。
沸きが多く、地形に段差がほとんどない
ところになります。
そんなところ姫ぐらいしかありません
しかも集め狩りがメインになるので飽きてくる可能性も
1対1の場合はストレートのほうが早く攻撃できるためその点はいいですがね

っといつのまにか違う話に((
クイックMAX
ソルトMAX
は絶対として@21のSPをどう振るかが結構差が出てくるかもね
ダッシュMAXでスト11でもし
ストMAXでもいい
ストMAXにするならDFに1振りましょう
中途半端は逆に狩りづらくすることも・・・・

2008 8/14 6:46 PM
匿名
 80 

インファなら

ムーンサルト20
   ↓
クイック20
   ↓
ダッシュ10


ストレートは2次じゃ使わないっぽいし
レベル~35ぐらいまでなら
両手剣やパンプキンスピアとか装備の方が強い

2008 8/15 12:30 AM
フール
 81 

MPリカバリーかオークか悩むね

オークは忍耐のときに使えるし。

リカバリは黒字化スキルだし。

どっちがいいんだろ。

2008 8/15 4:35 AM
はんにゃ
 82 

僕にとっては、
ムーンサルト10
ストレート10
ムーンサルト20
ストレート20
クイック20
余ったスキルポイントは全てダッシュ
という振り方が一番早くレベル上がりましたよw

2008 8/15 9:22 PM
 83 

インファイターになってからですが まずバイタルに振っておかないときついです。その後50までナックルの攻撃速度が遅いのでマスタリー5まで振ってブースター6くらいまで ここから初めて攻撃スキルを振りました。
黒字を狙うならマスタリーに振ってひたすら通常攻撃でもいいかもしれませんがつまらないので。
パンチ1
後はダブルアッパーという感じでいいかと思います
デビルクローとるまで 遅ッって感じですが・・・
威力はあるので

2008 8/16 6:50 AM
 84 

そういえばオークには一切振ってませんね・・・
バックエルボーは50ではじめて振りました

2008 8/16 6:51 AM
X
 85 

ガンスリなんですけどスローインとフェイクショットって連続で打てないんですか?打てるんなら30LVではサヘルで狩るのでインビシブルの前にどっちかを1あげたら楽なのではないでしょうか?(敵が密集してるので)

2008 8/16 8:33 AM
??????????
 86 

ガンでムーンサルト上げても無駄では

2008 8/16 10:28 AM
雑魚MAX
 87 

だれか~~
銃の30LVまでの能力値の上げ方おしえて~~~~~~

2008 8/17 7:29 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 88 

LV=STR
DEX=LV*4+10
INT,LUKともに4のとき
DEX=LV*4+12

2008 8/17 7:34 PM
\(゜ロ\)ココハドコ? (/ロ゜)/アタシハダアレ?
 89 

ダッシュMAXで20秒でMP消費5なわけだ
へイストはMAXで200秒?でMP消費30だから
ダッシュ6回使ってMPを30消費する。
ヘイストは方向転換しても効果が切れないし
ダッシュ10回も使うとMP消費50だし。。。
海賊はヘイストないから関係ないけど
ダッシュよりはヘイストのほうがいいということだ。

自分もだけど他職と比べるのはやめようまずセイノウガチガウカラネ

2008 8/19 2:55 PM
万能あんこ
 90 

初投稿ですガンスリンガーで最初にクイックとダブルファイアを10ずつあげたらいい結果がでたよ(ダブルファイア先)

2008 8/19 3:22 PM
\(゜ロ\)ココハドコ? (/ロ゜)/アタシハダアレ?
 91 

いや、銃はまずDFMAXでしょw

2008 8/19 4:31 PM
背徳の炎
 92 

まぁ命中足りない人は
DF15あたりでクイック5あげてするのもありかもよ

ガンは主にDexあげるから心配いらないと思うけど

2008 8/19 7:05 PM
秘密の拳くん
 93 

バイタライズを10にしたあとにパンチってあげてもよいのですか?

2008 8/20 12:06 PM
秘密の拳くん
 94 

インファイター系
ストレート1
クイック10
ムーンサルト20
ストレート11
クイック20
ダッシュ10

↑は自分がやったスキル振りです。参考になると、とても嬉しいです^^

2008 8/20 12:10 PM
秘密の拳くん
 95 

海賊のサイトってここだけですか?

2008 8/20 12:16 PM
いんふぁいたー
 96 

みんなって1次スキルのムーンサルトを20LVあげるんですか??

2008 8/20 2:38 PM
秘密の拳くん
 97 

ぃあ自分の好みでストレートMAXならMAXで、
ムーンサルトMAXならMAXでw
自分の好きなほうに振るのが一番だぉwいんふぁいたーさんw

2008 8/20 2:52 PM
tie
 98 

いやでも考えるとストレートとムーンサルトはムーンサルトのほうが攻撃力高いよ
大体100くらいダメ違う
理由はムーンサルトはどんな武器でも発動できるけどストレートはナックルだけw
Lv30ナックルと金属バットをくらべると金属のほうが100くらいダメ大きいw

2008 8/20 4:25 PM
ranranluu
 99 

パイレーツ(殴)

ストレートorムーンサルト1

クイック20

ダッシュ10

ストレートorムーンサルト20

ストレートorムーンサルト11

2次スキルのMPリカバリかオーク削ってストレートかムーンサルトMAXまで上げればいいと思いますよ><

2008 8/21 9:35 AM
かに
 100 

ダッシュMAXまでいりませんよね・・・?
情報yr!><b

2008 8/23 8:42 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 101 

40以降はナックルのほうが強くなりますよっと
ストレート>ムーンになる
速度もストレート>ムーンなので倒しそこなった敵に使うスキルとおもっていいと思います。
>100
ダッシュMAXまでいりませんよね?
1~9でOKッテ意味?
それはやめたほうがいい
9,8なにまだいいとして1~7あたりは半端で消費MPも多くなるし、いらない時に発動したりしてかえって邪魔になる
ダッシュは覚えないのなら絶対上げない
ダッシュを覚えるならMAXにする
このどっちかです。
銃はMAXにしたけど拳は0ですが何か?
銃>拳×3 拳のレベル3倍しても銃のレベルまでいかないwww
今現在

2008 8/24 12:54 AM
ハルヒリス
 102 

ブースターあんまり実感ないんだがあげるの後半でいいですかな??
ナックルです:

2008 8/24 8:39 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 103 

ブースターは絶対はやめに挙げるのがいいかと
メインで狩るのはムーンなので
ムーンがすでと同じ速度になります。
パンチ、バックエルボーは効果ないから実感がないのかと思います。
ダブルアッパーやムーンでは実感がすごくあります。

2008 8/24 8:49 PM
匿名
 104 

1次スキルが

QM MAX

サマソMAX

ダッシュMAX

ストレート11

な俺は異端ですかそうですか

2008 8/25 9:35 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 105 

一次スキルの振り方のまとめ
拳 ダッシュを取るか取らないかで決まる
ダッシュ取る場合
ストレート1

ムーン20

クィック10

ダッシュ10

クイック20

ストレート11

ダッシュを捨てる場合
ストレート1

ムーン20

クイック20

ストレート20

ダブルファイア1

銃の場合
ダッシュ取る場合 パターン1
ダブルファイア(DF)20 以降DFでいきます。

ムーンサルト1orストレート1

ダッシュ10

クイック20

ムーンソルト11orストレート11

パターン2
DF20

ムーン1orスト1

ダッシュ10

クイック11

ムーン20orスト20

ダッシュ捨てる場合
DF20

クイック20

ムーンソルト20orストレート20

ストレート1orムーン1

一次はこんな感じですね

2008 8/27 3:59 AM
雑用A
 106 

現、Lv39の銃育てましたがLv30までの
自分の経験上の話します(サクチケ Jタコ 命中丸薬使用-武器は各Lv100%の書使用-Lv20からはDex10のチキンタオル-軍手12使用)
1~10-初心者の島でウマー

10~14-エリニア:南の木のダンジョン1(スルラのみ、沸き良)
Lv10でダブルファイア(以降DF)を1上げ
Lv.11でムーンサルト1(以降MS)を1上げ残り2はDF
次のLvからはDFをMAXまで上げ

14~20-リス:ピグの海岸
(ピグ Rピグ 沸き良)
DFとMSを駆使してうまく狩ればそれなりに効率は良い
Lv17でDFがMAXになるので使い勝手も良くなり始めるがやはりダメージがかなり衰え気味
Lv20になればMSも11
(MSは11止め)
20~30-ジパング:カラスの家1、2
少し早い気はするがここは結構な効率を出せる
丸薬を使ってもやはりまだMissはでるが
カラスのHPが400に対しEXPが150あるので良い狩り場
孤立したカラスならDF
集団ならMSで狩れば良し
Lv20からはクイックモーション(以降QM)をMAXまであげる

Lv.25でQMが15
そして何よりもパンスピが装備できるようになるので装備しMSのみで集め狩り
(銃よりMSのほうがダメージが高くなるから)
Lv27でQMがMAX余り1はダッシュ

Lv30でダッシュMAX

ダッシュは不要と聞きますが、やはり後々のことを考えると必要だと思います。
鈍足が嫌になり飽きるのを避け
後の狩り場で「足が遅いから効率が…」なんてことにならないようにしてくれると思います
「ヘイストがあるじゃん」とも聞きますが
常時ヘイストをかけてくれるわけではないでしょうね
MSはやっぱり
ガンマスタリーが適応されないので威力に差がでてくるので後々集めスキルになりますね
30~35まではサソリでも十分通用しますが
アイアンミュテあたりになると安置でインビジブルショットがほとんどかと

あくまでも経験上の話なので参考程度にお願いします。
このやり方で弱くなった効率が良くないなど等の問題には責任を持たないのでご注意を

2008 8/28 3:23 AM
最強
 107 

初めて書きこしました
ダッシュを上げるよりもう一回使うのに時間がかかるけど初心者スキルのニンブルでいいとおもいまーーーす。
ダッシュにスキルポイント使うのはもったいないと思います

2008 8/29 8:46 PM
最強
 108 

上ちょとみすりました

2008 8/29 8:47 PM
無名
 109 

制限時間15分も待たされて持時間4秒のニンブルよりダッシュにあげたほうがいいとおもいまーーす。3次のうり坊まで役立ちます。

2008 8/30 11:19 AM
海XクロスX賊
 110 

あのインファイターのスキル振り教えてください ヨロです 
あと僕はストレート11にしてダッシュMAX
にした方ががいいと思います
インファイターになったらダブルアッパー
があるのでそっちのほうがいいと思います

2008 9/5 6:02 PM
麦わらのル○ィー
 111 

俺のステの振り方は・・・
自分の好きなようにするのが1番!
・・・・と思いますw

2008 9/5 6:17 PM
か~~~い~~~ぞく
 112 

海XクロスX賊へ
俺は56番の奴にしていますが、俺は111番と同じように自分の好きなように振ったほうがいいと思いますね

2008 9/5 11:55 PM
亜qすぇdrftgyふじこlp;
 113 

海賊一次

ムーンサルトMAX
クイックMAX
ダッシュMAX
ストレート11
にしてパンプキンスピア等でムーンサルトで狩るのがいい


DFMAX
クイックMAX
ダッシュMAX
ムーンサルト11
がいい

と思う

2008 9/8 7:14 PM
海賊
 114 

海賊スキル振り
~1次~
・ナックル
クイックモーション 重要度★★★★★
MAXレベル20 推奨レベル20
ダブルファイア 重要度☆☆☆☆☆
MAXレベル20 推奨レベル0
ストレート 重要度★★☆☆☆
MAXレベル20 推奨レベル11
ムーンサルト 重要度★★★★★
MAXレベル20 推奨レベル20
ダッシュ 重要度★★★☆☆
MAXレベル10 推奨レベル10
ナックルの場合、STRメインのため命中率と回避率が銃に比べて低いので、クイックモーションは必須スキルです。ムーンサルトは集め狩りの時に使い、MCでも使うため、これもMAX必須。ストレートとダッシュはどっちMAXにしてもいいですが、ストレートは2次転職試験の時しか使わないのでダッシュをお勧めします。ストレートをMAXにする場合はダッシュを上げずにダブルファイアに1振る方がいいとおもいます。長文読んでいただきありがとうございます。2次スキルもそのうち出しますw

2008 9/8 8:12 PM
海賊?いいえ魔王です。
 115 

海賊スキル振り
~2次~
・ナックル
バイタライズ 重要度★★★★★
MAXレベル10 推奨レベル10
ナックルマスタリー 重要度★★★★★
MAXレベル20 推奨レベル19or20
ナックルブースター 重要度★★★★☆
MAXレベル20 推奨レベル20
パンチ 重要度★★★★★
MAXレベル20 推奨レベル20
バックエルボー 重要度★★★★★
MAXレベル20 推奨レベル20
ダブルアッパー 重要度★★★★☆
MAXレベル20 推奨レベル20
MPリカバリー 重要度★★☆☆☆
MAXレベル10 推奨レベル1or10
オーク 重要度★★★☆☆
MAXレベル10 推奨レベル1or10
バイタライズはHP↑スキルなので転職後真っ先にMAX必須。30~50レベはMCメインのため、MC用にあげた僕のスキル振りを紹介します。バイタライズ10→ナックルマスタリー5→ナックルブースター6→ナックルマスタリー19→パンチ20→ナックルブースター20→バックエルボー20→ダブルアッパー20→オーク10→MPリカバリー1です。あくまで自分の振り方なんで、どうするかは自分の判断でお願いします。ちなみに上に投票した海賊と同じものです。

2008 9/8 8:20 PM
卍って何?
 116 

1次のダッシュは3次まですいすい上げられる人は切ると思う。
でもまだ3次の世界を見たことのない人はMAXがいいと思う。
3次でうり坊→パンチとか想像してみてろのだが・・・できるのだろうか。できたとしても消費MPが大きいことは勘弁w(3次まですいすいあげれればそれなりのメルもあるか)
とダッシュを3という半端なとこで止めた人の意見でした(A‘

2008 9/8 9:47 PM
海賊キャノン
 117 

1次は おれ クイック20                           ダブルファイア20                      ムンサル11                  にしたけど いいとおもう人ぉーー            テー 上げてー                        俺は、いいと思うけどー                  どうーーーーーーーーーーーー             

2008 9/10 9:33 PM
匿名
 118 

ムンサル→MAX
クイック→MAX
ダッシュ→MAX
ストレート→11

d(`-ω-´)

2008 9/14 9:54 PM
海賊っ子のインファイターです^^
 119 

インファのお勧めスキル教えてくださぃといっております

2008 9/20 3:52 PM
なんか
 120 

ダッシュは3次でいらなくなるのでいらないとおもいますよ

2008 9/20 10:22 PM
なんか
 121 

↑のミス
2次だった(汗

2008 9/20 10:23 PM
殴る星
 122 

ちあ 
インファのスキル振りいいの教えてください (まだ2次してませんww) m(-_-)m ペコリ

2008 9/23 3:54 PM
あヵさたな
 123 

私の1次スキルは
クイックMAX  ストレート14  ムーンMAX  ダッシュ7
にしてますー。

ストレートは2次のダブルアッパーの繋ぎに使えるので、11でゎ少し低いかと思いまして14にしてみました。
ダッシュは2次でSPが余るため
1Lv分でMAXになるようにしてます。

2次は恐らく
マスタリ ブスタ パンチ エルボー アッパーはMAXがぃぃでしょう。
オークかMPリカバリのどちらかに8を上げ残りの1LV分をダッシュ。
もしくはストレートとダッシュをMAXにし、
あとの残りを2次のスキルに上げるのかは個人次第だと思います。

2008 9/23 7:28 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 124 

ダッシュ7は使い勝手悪すぎませんか?
消費MPも高くなりますし
ならダッシュMAXにして、二次でストレート14にしてみては?
どうせダブルアッパーを振るのはだいぶあとのほうですし

2008 9/23 9:58 PM
湯徒理
 125 

誰かキャプテンのスキルツリー教えてくださいませ

2008 9/27 5:57 PM
ズッキー
 126 

パンプキンスピアじゃなくて竹ヤリでもいいんですか?

2008 10/1 9:06 PM
 127 

やっぱクイックMAX、ムーンMAX、
ダッシュMAX、ストレート11がいいですね
ダッシュはいろいろと便利です。
クイックは命中があがるので必ずMAX
ストレートは2次にダブルアッパーがあるので
2次ではあまり使いませんなので11でとめたほうがいいと思う

2008 10/3 9:10 PM
あかさたな
 128 

インファイターとガンスリンガーとだと、Lvあげがらくなのってどちらですか??
あと、後々になってたのしいのはどちらですか?

2008 10/6 9:53 AM
ガンスリ育成中
 129 

あかさたなさんへ

ワタシはガンスリを育てているので、インファイターが楽なのかどうかはわかりません。

ガンスリは、マジデ。マゾイデス!!w

4次まで育成するつもりなので、耐えていますが
正直、MCではいかに多職に比べ弱小なのか一目瞭然ですょ・・・!

それでも、4次スキルが楽しみなので、耐えて育てますbb

皆さんへ質問デス。

現在、47Lvのガンスリンガーです。
1次のとき、ダッシュの必要性をまったく感じなかったので

DF MAX
MS MAX
QM MAX
ストレート 1

というスキル振りをしました。

ダッシュ1個も振ってないですが、上の方々の書き込みを見ると
ダッシュ10振ってる方が多いようです。。。

移動系装備で移動を+25まであげているので
狩る分には問題ないですが
ダッシュにスキルを振っている方、ダッシュ使用時の
メリット、デメリットを教えて下さい。

ソレによっては、SP再分配を検討しています;

出費がぁぁぁぁ・・・

2008 10/8 9:11 AM
a
 130 

私の場合は移動はライディング使ってますし、

狩り中はバックステップショットですし・・・

100頃から卵狩りになってくるのでさらにダッシュ使わなくなります^^;

移動揃っている人ならなくても大丈夫だと思います。
再分配するのはもったいないです。

2008 10/8 10:55 AM
海賊?いいえ魔王です。
 131 

別にスキル振りに正解は無いんですし、自分の思ったスキル振りでやればいいと思いますよ。

2008 10/8 10:03 PM
ルイヴィ
 132 

4次転職したキャプテン方に質問なんですが、スキルは何から上げてますか?
上げる順番のオススメあれば教えていただきたいです(´・ω・`)

2008 10/8 10:37 PM
 133 

120でラピッド1・サポタコ1・アプトレ1がお勧めです

船わ耐久度低いんでネタっぽいんで振らなくておkだとおもいます

ラピッドマックスエアストマックスまでしたら

サポタコかアドホ

どっちか10まで上げたら船とキャノンですかね

150で耐久度が60000なります^^

2008 10/8 10:44 PM
海賊殴り?
 134 

殴り1次スキル上げ方おしえてください
できるだけ役に立ったスキルのあげ方で
よろしくおねがいします♪

2008 10/10 4:31 PM
卍って何?
 135 

134さん
このサイトの「育成ガイド」を見てください

2008 10/10 5:16 PM
殴る星
 136 

このサイトでいろいろいいものみつけられるよ

2008 10/13 9:06 PM
殴る星
 137 

スキル振りなど・・・

2008 10/13 9:07 PM
いくでガンス
 138 

ガンスリ持ちのライトプレイヤーですが、
廃プレイ前提でなければダッシュは有用だと思いますよ。

一次での緊急回避(間合い取り)はもちろん、
ジャンプ力の強化は結構ありがたいです。
100%以外の書で強化する程経済力に余裕がない
人にとっては要所要所で役立ちます。

SP消費もLvMAXなら意外と安く済みますしね。
(人気度を売れば消耗品代程度なら十分賄えますから)
ただし、ガンスリンガーの場合ってだけですがね。

3次や4次に早々上げてしまう方にとっては
MSの方が近接の緊急用に役立つ余地はありそうですし、
財政、LV上げ事情によってMSとダッシュの取得で
分けた方がよさそうでしょうね。

2008 10/18 12:51 AM
かいぞくさん?
 139 

僕はファイターだけ教えます
ストレート20
ムンサル20
クイック10
ダッシュ11
ってのはどうですか?
クイックあんまいらんとおもいますw

2008 10/25 12:05 PM
匿名
 140 

ストレート20
ムーンサルト20
クイック20
ダッシュ1
だと攻撃が安定していいんじゃないかなw
僕の場合ストレート11でダッシュMAXですがw

2008 10/25 12:28 PM
sennta-
 141 

DEXtとかなに上げればいいんですか

2008 11/1 10:11 PM
ゥィッシュX
 142 

ぅ~ん
やっぱぁ海賊銃のどこがいいかわかんない
だから殴りにしたけど・・・・・
どうですかねぇ殴りもやっぱ育てにくい

2008 11/2 5:18 PM
かいぞくさん?
 143 

いちおムンサルを先に20してたほうがいいかな?

2008 11/2 5:23 PM
桜の季節かな・・・
 144 

今46のインファです
パンチはMAXでもうすぐナックルマスタリーMAXなんですが、その後はバックエルボーかダブルアッパーどっちあげるべきでしょうか?

2008 11/2 10:47 PM
ケヤキのへどろ様
 145 

ストーレやムンサルMAXにしてない人は、二次の後半、三次以降はレベ上げがきつ過ぎて挫折するでしょぅ  131ばいぱーの意見

2008 11/5 8:13 PM
真・破壊大帝
 146 

へ~~~

2008 11/8 12:57 PM
 147 

はっきりいってストレートはいらない子
パンプキン持ってムンサル使っていけばいい
ダッシュは全上げでOk
クイックも↑とおなじ

2008 11/14 9:59 PM
さぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁん
 148 

拳ならまず、転職祝いをムーンサルト1
ダッシュ1

ムーンサルト20

ストレート1

ダッシュ10

クイックモーション20

ストレート11
が最適だと思います。4次になったらマスタリーブックを使うのでストレートやダブルファイヤにも振れます。

2008 11/14 11:09 PM
 149 

パンチはMAXにしないんですか?

2008 11/16 11:44 AM
やっほ~
 150 

今45のインファイターですが後々パンチはMAXにしないんですか?教えてください

2008 11/16 11:46 AM
さくらの
 151 

銃 1次 (STR50まで先上げ)
ムーンサルト 20

クイック 11

ダッシュ 10(SPを貯めて一気に上げる)

ダブルファイア 20

銃 2次
マスタリ 5

ブースタ 5

インビ 20

フェイク 1 (ここで40レベル)

マスタリ 19

ウィングス 5

バックステップ 20

フェイク 20

ブースタ 20

クイック 20

マスタリ 20

ウィングス 10

スローイン 2

1次のムーンは、効率重視のために上げる。
STRを50まで上げて狩ると効率が良い。

40レベル近くまでは、ムーンで狩るのが理想。
インビのスキルレベルが上がれば銃に変更してもOK。
だが、STRを50まで振るので、他の人より火力は落ちる。

最終的なスキル構成
クイック 20
ムーン 20
ダッシュ 10
ダブルファイア 20

マスタリ 20
ブースタ 20
インビ 20
バック 20
フェイク 20
ウィングス 10
スローイン 2

3次も考えましたけど、
スキルツリーの「ヴァイキング・ガブアイオータマスター」とまったく一緒になったから記載しません^^

2008 11/18 5:35 PM
♬雑魚斬り賊♬
 152 

>>151
まぁこのやり方なら序盤は楽ですが、30~50までは結構つらそうですが・・・・・
極銃をつくる場合この方法は使えませんね・・・・・

2008 11/18 10:42 PM
海賊っ子
 153 

今35レベの殴ですけどWアッパーっていつ頃 あげればいいんですか?コメントyr

2008 11/19 6:19 PM
ぐっち
 154 

インファイター1次〜2次
オススメの振り方

一次
(1) ストレートorダブルフャイア11orムーンサルト クイックモーション 20 これをバランスよく分ける
※ダブルフャイアにした場合のAPは将来インファイターになるんでlv20までDEXメインに振り続けて、それからSTRのみ振り続ければok

(2) ムーンサルト20

(3) ダッシュ10

ここで転職。ダブルフャイア型の方は転職のクエは通常攻撃で頑張れ!

二次

(1) バラタライズ10

(2)ダブルアッパー20 ナックルマスタリー20 これらをバランス良く分けましょう
先にパンチに1だけ振っておくのもよいでしょう

(3) ナックルブースター20
ダブルアッパーは攻撃速度遅いので、ナックルブースターに振ることをオススメします

(4) 後は任せます

ここまではやはりムーンサルトメインで狩ることになるので、途中までは全職対応の武器で狩りましょう

2008 11/22 3:18 PM
卍って何?
 155 

154s
(2)のダブルアッパーはパンチがいいです。
ダブルアッパーは60以降に上げても遅くないし
パンチ、ムンサメインで狩る狩り場が多いからです。
でもママシュとかボスメインならこの振り方で間違いはないと思います。

2008 11/22 9:46 PM
ゴン
 156 

クイックは絶対MAX
の方がいいです。
海賊は命中がとて
も大事なので。

2008 11/23 12:49 AM
心太
 157 

オークとMPリカバリーはやはり振った方がいいスキルなのでしょうか?
イマイチ必要性がわからないので教えてください
ストレートも一応MAXにしときたいので、削るならどっちがいいのでしょうか?

2008 11/23 10:15 AM
koko
 158 

1次の時にダッシュ1振りで2次になってほしくなったんですが、スローインって使うんですか?その分ダッシュに振っても使えますか?

2008 11/26 6:18 AM
さかもっちゃん
 159 

2次転にストレート必要だから              ストレート20                        ムーンサルト11                      クイックモーション20                   ダッシュ10
がいいと思います    (あくまでも俺の意見です)

2008 11/28 10:48 PM
卍って何?
 160 

159さん
ムンサは20推薦です。4次まで使うので。
削るならストレートかダッシュです。

2008 11/29 1:30 PM
真・破壊大帝
 161 

>>160

俺も賛成~

2008 11/29 2:06 PM
あいう
 162 

ストレートは3次のときボス戦でけっこう使うので
ストレートmaxがいいと

2008 12/1 9:48 PM
あいう
 163 

↑みs
ストレートmaxがいいかと

2008 12/1 9:49 PM
だい
 164 

1次でストレート11

2次でMPリカバリーを完全に捨ててストレートに2次のSP振ってMAXにしました。

ムンサルもストレートも4次まで使うのでMAXのがいいですね。

オークとMPリカバリーはどうでもいいかもw

ダッシュもMAXのほうがいいですよー。

2008 12/1 10:26 PM
心太
 165 

ストレートと、ブースター掛けた時のダブルアッパーでは
速度はどれほど違うのですか?
ストレートの方が速いのは分かっていますが、どれくらい違うのか知りたいです〜 (ノo`)ノ

2008 12/2 5:46 AM
パスタうまぃ
 166 

31銃の銃で、マスタリ4なんですけどこの後マスタリをMAXにしたらいいんですか?それともブースターをあげるべきですか?それとも、インビシブルショットを上げたほうがいいんですか?お答えおねがいします!

2008 12/2 9:15 PM
パスタうまぃ
 167 

ウィングスを10にしてスローインを11にするか、
ウィングスを5にして スローインを16にするか・・・
       どちらがいいでしょうか

2008 12/2 11:31 PM
豹龍蜜葡椿萄
 168 

ウィングスは10にしても意味ないと思います
5にしても10にしてもたいして違いはないし
実戦でもウィングスを使うことはまずないと思います
僕が思うにはウィングスを5にしてスローインを16にするほうがいいと思います
みなさんはどうでしょうか?

2008 12/10 1:56 AM
豹龍蜜葡椿萄
 169 

心太sへ
ストレートの方が速いですよね^^
ブースターでダブルアッパーを使うと
だいたい0.3秒くらい速くなりますね
って言っても分からないよね^^;

2008 12/10 1:59 AM
雑魚斬り賊
 170 

>>167
俺ならウィングズ10にしてスローイン11にします。
ウィングズは暇な時に遊べますし、
スローインは16あっても11とさほどかわらない(敵の数+1)ので
俺はウィングズ10を勧めます

2008 12/10 1:29 PM
bs
 171 

ウィングスって狩場にいくまでとかかなり使えます
なので10推奨

2008 12/10 3:37 PM
海族ライオウ
 172 

ダッシュはいらないと」思うよww^^

2008 12/12 6:49 PM
匿名C
 173 

ダッシュは必須ではないからね
ヘイストあったら全く意味ない気がするし
だけど銃の場合、ストレートやムンサルはすぐ使わなくなるのでダッシュMAX推奨
拳はストレートにまわしたほうがいいかな

あとクイックの回避は地味に助かります

>>168
ウィングス変わりなくはないですよ
実戦ではウィングスして撃ちながらモンスターに近づいて殴らないくらいでバックショットみたいな狩り方もできる・・・で絶対に使わなくはない
スローインは、安定しないし攻撃範囲が厳しいかなあ
安置から遠くに投げて集めることはできますが範囲の問題があります
そのとき6体集めることは難しいと思います

銃に関してですがフェイクショットMAX推奨
3次のクーリングは21までフェイクショットMAXのほうがMobを縛ってられる時間が長いです。つまりCE21まで使用。あと凍らない奴もおるし・・
対象は3体以上を縛って狩ることはそんなにないと思いますから
クーリングあるからとスローインに振った3次銃より・・・

2008 12/13 12:35 AM
teftef
 174 

昨日(と言っても数時間前)ヴァイキングに転職できました。
一次
DF[20]→ダッシュ[10]→QM[20]→ムーンサルト[11]
銃でムーンサルトを使ってもダメージが微妙なのでDFの次はダッシュがいいと思います
二次
インビジ[1]→ガンマス[19]→ブスタ[6]→インビジ[20]→ウイング[5]→BSS[20]→ブスタ[12]→フェイク[20]→ガンマス[20]→スロー[11]
スローはダメージソースとしては使えませんので切るならやはりコレですね。

2008 12/13 12:51 AM
パスタうまぃ
 175 

ありがとぅございます。遅くなってすみません^^;
ウィングス10にします。

2008 12/14 2:54 PM
じゃがいも
 176 

インファイターなら

ムーンサルトMAX

にすればいいと思います

ムーンサルトをあげると

後でかなり役立っていいと思います

他に自分がいいと思った

スキルがあったら迷わずそれにした方がいいと

僕は思います

2008 12/18 3:38 PM
茜色
 177 

ダッシュって必要なんですかね?w            僕は1しヵあげてません。                僕のスキル振りは                      ダッシュ1→ストレートMAX→ムーンサルトMAX→クイックMAXですw                            ナックルですけどねb

2008 12/20 12:23 AM
機夜羅狗
 178 

どうもww

今日40になりました

えっとパンチとダブルアッパーどっちを先に

あげればいいでしょうか?

2008 12/20 8:34 PM
匿名
 179 

133以外にキャプテンのおすすめ振りあったらおしえてください

2008 12/20 10:00 PM
ミラクルガンガン
 180 

銃の振り分けだと                                                      ダブルファイヤー 20                  クイックモーション20                   ダッシュ5                          ムーンサルト15                                                        ぼくのオススメです

2008 12/21 5:54 PM
バモス海賊
 181 

拳なら、ストレートを捨てるべきです。ムーンサルトの方が経験値もらえるし、2次は単体攻撃スキル多いですから。ストレートの分ダッシュとか上げた方がいいかと。。

2008 12/25 3:15 PM
バモス海賊
 182 

すみません。複数攻撃の方が多かったです。コメント無視よろ

2008 12/25 3:18 PM
かいぞくさん?
 183 

ぁのガンスリかインファイターどっちが育てやすいですか?教えてください

2009 1/12 3:01 PM
匿名C
 184 

<<183
3次以降はわかりませんが、インファイターの方が経験値稼ぎやすいです。
強化にかかるメルは銃の方が安いです。

2009 1/12 6:57 PM
かいぞくさん?
 185 

へぇそうなんですかぁ
いちおインファイターにしました。
でもスキル上げどれにしようか迷ってます;;

2009 1/12 10:43 PM
かいぞくさん?
 186 

へぇそうなんですかぁ
いちおインファイターにしました。
でもスキル上げどれにしようか迷ってます;

2009 1/12 10:43 PM
gotyo
 187 

最近投稿少ないな…
現在Lv44拳
1次
ストレート11ダブルファイア0他max
2次
バイタライズmax→攻撃スキルにそれぞれ1づつ→マスタリー、ブースター5づつ→パンチ中心にマスタリー上げ←今ここ

ストレートは結構使う(単体の時だけだが)
ダッシュは間合いを取るのに重要(バックエルボーからのコンボのときはmissが出たときの逃げにも)
ダブルアッパーは隙が大きすぎてストレートと同じようには使えないが、スタンがあるので、単体と群れに囲まれたときに、バックエルボーの後、単体に対して足止めには使える
個人的には2次の攻撃スキルはバックエルボーに最初に振っておいて、あとはマスタリーとブースターでいいと思う。(成長しきった後はパンチでいいかなと)
MPリカバリとオークは最後のほうであまったら好きな方へ(個人的には、薬が切れたときの事を考えればMPリカバリがいいかなと。ダッシュの分のMPあれば逃げ帰るのにも役立つ)

2009 1/25 11:51 PM
らぃる
 188 

私のナックル1次スキル振りです。
スキルツリーにも載ってましたが(以下略

1stキャラには向かない狩場(効率重視が故、赤字)ですが、参考にどうぞ。

ムーンサルト:MAX

クイックモーション:MAX

ストレート:MAX

ダブルファイア:1

最初はペリに売ってるカール帯剣をもって、ピグの海岸でムーンサルト。
強化した体温計・スノボもいい感じ。
マゾいと感じてきたならアリの巣へ。
命中の丸薬があれば何とかあたります、茶頭巾があれば更に良し。
20~はサソリを狩り狩り。
命中が少し気になれば魚の銛も有りです。
25~はパンプを持って丸薬切りでしょうか。
気分転換にカニクエも良いかもです。

サクチケが無くても、1日で2次までいけました。
赤字狩りですが、楽にレベル上げたいのならオススします。

2009 2/17 9:08 PM
海行こうぜ
 189 

僕はインファイターを目指してる人のためです。
僕は変わってるんで変かもしれないですけどこうです

ストレートMAX
ムーンサルトMAX
ダッシュMAX
クイック10です
命中率とかわ必要だと思うけどステータス(S)で振り分ければいいかと思います・・・・

2009 2/21 4:47 PM
海行こうぜ
 190 

連続ですいませんゴメ━━━━Σ(>д< `;)━━━━ン!!!!!
ガンスリンガーは
ムーンサルトMAX
ダブルファイアMAX
クイックMAX
ダッシュは我慢してください。初心者のニンブルがあればそれでもいいかもしれません。ガンスリンガーは命中がなかったら意味がないんで・・・・^o^:

インファイターは
ムーンサルトMAX
ストレートMAX
クイック15
ダッシュ5
もいいと思います。さっきのコメントのとおりクイックの5はステータス(S)であげてください。

悪魔で僕の意見なんで参考にしようと思った人はしない方がいいと思います。

2009 2/21 4:59 PM
海行こうぜ
 191 

189の時と少し変わってるよねすいません
またまた連続ゴメ━━━━Σ(>д< `;)━━━━ン!!!!!

2009 2/21 5:01 PM
ラーズィ
 192 

>>190
変わりすぎですね。
ガンスリはDEX職。
STR依存のムンサルをMAXにしても意味は無いはず。範囲攻撃なら2次から手に入るしね。
だからここは素直にムンサル削ってダッシュに振ればいいと思います。

インファにするんだったらストレートを11に削るのをオススメします。2次から攻撃スキルがたくさん出てきますので、使用する場面が薄れていくからです。
MAXにするのも個人個人の勝手ですけどね。
ダッシュは中途半端な数まで振るんだったら取らないほうがマシです。

2009 2/22 10:36 AM
 193 

>>190
ガンスリンガーは命中ないと意味ないって言ってるけど
ぶっちゃけ命中で困ることほとんどないから
むしろそれを言うなら拳のほうだから
クイック10にしてダッシュ振ったほうがいい

2009 2/22 5:34 PM
文。堂
 194 

>>190
海行こうぜさんは釣りなのかと疑ってしまうのですが・・

普段のステ振りでDEXに余り振りたくないインファイターこそ
クイックMAXで命中補正をかけておくべきだと思いますよ。

一応両方のタイプを持っている私の個人的意見ですが、

インファイターは
ムーンサルトMAX
ストレート11
クイックMAX
ダッシュMAX
(ダッシュは移動にストレス感じなければ
振らないでおいて、代わりにストレートMAXでもOKです)

ガンスリンガーは
ダブルファイアMAX
クイックMAX 
ムーンサルト11
ダッシュMAX
(ダッシュが不要ならムーンサルトMAXで
残りダッシュ1かストレートでも?)

この辺りがハズレがないと思いますよ

2009 2/22 8:17 PM
匿名C
 195 

ダッシュが不要なことってあるのかい
とりあえずやってれば50lvくらいにはダッシュ慣れると思うぞ
しっかし、バックステップショット&ウィングスを覚えたら「平面なところでは」いりませんね
ということでついでにウィングスMAX推奨
あと命中補正に自信がある方は、クイックからダッシュに振るなり、ストレートに振るなりできると思います
まぁ、結局ラーズィさんの意見が妥当だと思います

2009 2/22 11:39 PM
匿名C
 196 

ちょいとわかりづらいな
あと命中補正に自信が
ってところは、拳のスキル振りのことです

2009 2/22 11:40 PM
海賊魂
 197 

ガンファイターにしました、、40レベルまでのスキルの振り分けた方教えてください。。
迷ってます

2009 3/1 12:10 PM
匿名C
 198 

↑・・・?
銃戦士・・・?
とりあえずガンファイターってなんだすか(^^;

2009 3/1 1:05 PM
挹婁
 199 

ダブルファイアを上げたインファイター…ってことかな?

2009 3/1 5:33 PM
匿名
 200 

銃の一次スキル振りですが
命中はいらなくても、相当回避が重要になるので、クイックモーションはMAX推奨だと思います。
銃でMAXにするべき一次スキルは
ダブルファイア
クイックモーション
で、将来性を見てダッシュ、余りにムーンサルト。
が、妥当なのではないでしょうか。

二次スキル余りでクイックに振るのもありですがね。

2009 3/4 3:20 PM
x海賊魂x
 201 

ガンスリンガーにしました。
2次のスキル振り教えてください
もし よかったら 40レベルまでのスキル振りを
お願いします

2009 3/7 7:42 PM
 
 202 

>>201
海賊2次職ガンスリンガーのスキルツリーを見ればいいと思います

振り方は2通りありますが40までなら インビジブルショット10とガンマスタリー1 で一緒みたいです

2009 3/9 10:40 PM
 
 203 

↑ごめんなさい、ミスです 34レベ分くらいまでしか書いてない;;

インビジブルショット+10→ガンマスタリー+5→ガンブースター+5→インビジブルショット+10→ガンマスタリー+1

ですね 連続投稿すみません><

2009 3/9 10:51 PM
懸命
 204 

あの、いま拳21レベで、スト1、ムーンMAX、OM13です。この後のあげ方だれか教えてください!!!

2009 3/19 7:09 PM
外法狩り
 205 

今21の海賊です。ムーンMAXでクイック12です。 オススメの狩場とか上げ方とか教えてください。

2009 3/22 6:41 PM
水月
 206 

137のキャプテンですがスキルについて書き込みがあったのを見たので載せてみます

1次
 ダブルファイアMAX
 ダッシュMAX
 クイックモーションMAX
 ムーンサルト11

ダッシュは意外と使えるのでMAX推奨
振るならMAX
半端に振るとそれこそ無駄
ムーンサルトは銃では結構いらない子
ストレートはいわずもがな・・・

2次
 ガンマスタリー20
 ガンブースター20
 インビジブルショット20
 ウィングス10
 バックステップショット20
 フェイクショット20
 スローイン11

ウィングスマスターです・・・
飽きそうなら早めにスローインに1振って遊ぶ
それだけで意外に飽きない

3次
 トリプルファイア20
 ホーミング30
 オクトパス30
 ガブアイオータ30
 クーリングエフェクト30
 ファイアバーナー11

軽く異端の自覚はあります
でもファイアバーナーっていらない子なのでこれはこれでありかなと思いました

4次は書ききれないので次書きます

2009 3/23 11:17 AM
水月
 207 

137キャプテン続き行きます

4次
 バトルシップ1、バトルシップキャノン1、ラピットファイア1(転職時)
  ↓
 バトルシップ3(121〜123)
  ↓
 バトルシップミサイル3(124〜126)
  ↓
 バトルシップミサイル1、アドバンスドホーミング1、サポートオクトパス1
  ↓
 バトルシップキャノン3(128〜130)
  ↓
 サポートオクトパス3(131〜133)
  ↓
 アドバンスドホーミング3(134〜136)
  ↓
 ラピットファイア3(137〜)

んまあこんなとこです
最初に戦艦にふるのは
 耐久力の問題
 ないと飽きる
という理由です
また最初にラピットファイアに1入れたのは戦艦破壊時の時間稼ぎ
これだけでかなりスムーズに狩れました
参考になれば幸いです

2009 3/23 1:21 PM
かいぞくさん?
 208 

ひさしぶり☆
海賊って育てやすい?
いま僕36レベでさびしくソロ狩りしてます
ソロ狩りってかなしいです

2009 3/28 9:52 PM
かいぞくさん?
 209 

ひさしぶり☆
いま僕36レベでさびしくソロ狩りしてます
ソロ狩りってかなしいです

2009 3/28 9:53 PM
asdf
 210 

インファイターの場合
ストレート 15
ムーンサルト 20
ダッシュ 5
クイック 20
または
ストレート 20
ムーンサルト 15
ダッシュ 5
クイック 20

2009 3/31 3:13 PM
はあ
 211 

ガンスリンガー系の場合です
ムーンサルトはSTR依存とよくいうけどそれは間違ってます。攻撃力はたしかにインファイターにおとるとはいえ、DEXがあがるにつれて強くはなります。
ムーンサルトの攻撃力の計算式は
(STR+DEX×1.8×0.9×0.1)×(ブレット以外の総攻撃力)÷100
だそうです。
インファイターの場合、DEXの係数が1.8ではなく3.6なのでガンだんと半減します。
また熟練度により強くならずダメージが安定しないのは確かですが。
私はクイック11でムーンサルトMAXにしました。

2009 4/1 11:02 PM
らぃる
 212 

10体程、70までのインファイターを育ててみて
『どのスキル振りが一番レベル上がりやすいかな?』
と、自分なりに調べてみました。
一番よかったな、と思うスキル振りを紹介します。

◆ステ振りは、STR極(振替はなし)
◆装備品は、DEX強化⇒レベルに応じたナックル装備
 ※ ナックルはチキン強化、64のM武器のみ通常強化
◆狩場は、スレッドのオススメ狩場を利用
 ※ 30-50はMCでレベル上げ
 ※ PT狩りではなくソロ狩り(MC除く)
◆ドーピングは、速度UP・命中UP・火力強化
 ※ 火力強化(Jタコ)は51から
◆あくまで私の意見、鵜呑み厳禁
◆質問があれば受け付けます
◆ちなみに、データ収集期間は2ヶ月(’A

◇1次スキル振り◇
ムーンサルトMAX(20)

クイックモーションMAX(20)

ストレートMAX(20)

ダブルファイア(1)

*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*
・見ての通り、ダッシュに振っていません。
・移動は丸薬により+10になり、ジャンプ力も
・1次ではほとんど必要としないため除外。
・Lv20でサソリを狩るため、クイックモーションも
 MAX推奨です。
・ダッシュを切ったことにより余った10SPを
 ストレートに振ってあります。
・MAXが良い理由は2次スキルにて説明します。
・ダッシュが1あっても、MPが無駄になるだけなので
 ダブルファイアに1振り1次スキルは終了です。
*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*

◇2次スキル振り◇
バスタライズMAX(10)

パンチ(3)

ナックルブースター(3)

パンチMAX(20)

ナックルマスタリーMAX(20)

ナックルブースターMAX(20)

バックエルボーMAX(20)

ダブルアッパーMAX(20)

オークMAX(10)

MPリカバリー(1)

*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*
・インファは近距離職なので、最初にバスタライズを
 MAXにします。
・その後パンチを振りますが、早い内にブースターを
 3振っておくことをオススメします。
 30秒ですが、恩恵は大きいです。
・パンチのMAX後、火力のばらつきを抑える為に
 マスタリ-振り、ブースターを振っていきます。
・エルボー・アッパーの優先順位は好みでOK。
・そしてリカバリーを切った理由に移ります。
 50を越えてからの狩場は、平面・安置がない場所が
 主となってきます。
 リカバリー時の硬直時に接触したらかえって赤字に
 なるからです。
・オークをMAXにしておくと、先のグルクエで使え
 てくるので、損はありませんでした。
・最後にストレートMAXにした理由の一つですが
 ムーンサルトでMOBを処理した際に、1体だけ
 残るときがあります。
 そういう敵は、ストレートで倒しますよね。
 確殺力を上げる為、MAXにしてあります。
*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*-+-*

狩りにおいて、火力・機動力・効率は非常に大切です。
ですが、1stキャラの人にとっては、いかにメルを
切らさずに、狩ることの方が重要になってくるのでは
ないでしょうか?
節約しながら狩ることも、3次へ繋がることだと思います。

何度も言いますが…あくまで私の意見、鵜呑み厳禁。
正しいとは言い切れないのでお気をつけ下さい。

長文失礼しました。

2009 4/2 7:37 PM
スピット
 213 

すみません 
らぃるさんの上から75行のオークはグルクエで使えましたよと言いましたが
たとえばどんなグルクエですか?
今58LVなのですが デビクエやオルクエなのですか?
知りたいですw

2009 4/3 1:45 PM
らぃる
 214 

>>213
私はデビクエとロミジュリクエで使いましたよ。

デビクエ・ロミジュリクエは敵を倒して、ドロしたETCを所定の位置に落とす作業があります。
敵が密集している場所でも、安心して落とせましたよ。
特に、賊がいないときは重宝します。

ただ
・魔法攻撃は無効化できない
・10%の確率でMOBにばれる

という面もありますのでお気をつけください(’A

2009 4/3 2:40 PM
スピット
 215 

おぉ
たしかにデビクエでは使えそうですなぁ
これはいいスキルだ・・w

2009 4/3 4:21 PM
らぃる
 216 

>>215
賊や、釣ってくれる人がいたらあんまり…(ry

ダッシュ・オーク・リカバリー…どれを上げるかは、人によって意見が違います。
ただ…上げるならMAX、上げないなら0にした方がいいと私は思いますよ!

2009 4/4 2:32 AM
瓜さん
 217 

だれかぁ殴りの1次スキルでいいあげかた教えてください

2009 4/4 5:55 AM
スピット
 218 

瓜さん すぐ上にの過去ログに乗っているんじゃw

>>212

2009 4/4 7:53 AM
匿名
 219 

今86のバッカニアなのですが、今のスキルが
チャージ1
バスター21
トランス3
ウェイブ21
なのですがこれから次になにを振っていけばいいと思いますか?
教えてくだされば幸いです

2009 4/4 7:44 PM
匿名
 220 

>>219
バスターかウェイブかをMAXにしたほうがいいと思うよ
バスター先にMAXなら バスター → チャージ かな
ウェイブ先なら ウェイブ → トランス かな

参考までに、俺は トランス1 → チャージ1 
→ バスターMAX → ウェイブMAX → トランスMAX
→ チャージMAX っていうのをやってる

俺のコメントを鵜呑みにしないで、自分が何のスキルあげたいのか考えたり、
過去ログとか見て参考にしたり、それから自分で決めたらいいと思うよ

2009 4/4 9:38 PM
BK
 221 

銃でストレートを10に上げてしまったんですが
だめですかね:?

2009 4/12 3:54 PM
風の源倭
 222 

>>221
だめだとおもいますよ・・・

僕は銃なんですが、
ムンサルMAX
ダブルMAX
ダッシュMAX
残りクイックですね
スローイン使い勝手悪すぎるので、スローイン切ってクイックに上げてます。
インファの場合でも、ストレートはほとんど使いません

2009 4/13 7:22 PM
海賊くん
 223 

殴りの場合 すきる

2009 4/28 2:40 PM
海賊くん
 224 

殴りのスキル振り~                                   ムーンサルト20                  ↓                   クイックーション20                 ↓                   ストレート20                   ↓                   ダッシュ1                                      これすれば結構いいですよw

2009 4/28 2:44 PM
瓜xx
 225 

ふむ
てヵ海賊と盗賊ってどっちがそだてやすいのかなぁ?

2009 5/3 12:05 AM
anami
 226 

モンカニ専用インファキャラ
1次
MS MAX
CM MAX
ST 11
ダッシュ MAX
2次
マスタリー19 
ブスタ10 
アッパー1
エルボー1
パンチ20
です。
ここで解説。
エルボーについてですが、
ロムバにムーンサルトを撃つ際、
前進しながら撃ちます。そうなるとそのうちは、モンスターの後ろにまわってしまうことがあります。
そこでターンしてうってもいいんですが、少し散れるんです、900~1100の間のダメージの人は、。
なのでそこでエルボーして、固めます、
近かったら、そのままMSが撃てるので、撲滅

アッパーは。・・・

無視でお願いします・・;

2009 5/3 6:27 PM
ナッツ
 227 

はぁ
殴りの1次スキル振りわかんないや
いろいろあるけどどれにしよっかなぁ
マジで
一番どれがいいですか?
おしえてください

2009 6/27 9:01 PM
ドナルド
 228 

だれかガンスリンガー(2次転職)のスキルの上げ方を教えてくださいお願いします\(´Д`\)(/´Д`/

2009 7/10 6:05 PM
アレグロアジテート
 229 

「ガンスリンガーのスキルツリー」のページは見ましたか?
まだ見てないなら参考にするといいと思いますよ^^

2009 7/10 8:01 PM
ぁきぃーナ
 230 

アタシの考えだと。。
最初にストレートをMAXに挙げた方がいいと思います^-^
的に命中しやすくなります^-^w
必ず最初の1スキルはクイックにあげてMAXにしましょう^-^w

2009 7/24 11:36 AM
ぁきぃーナ
 231 

アタシの考えだと。。
最初にストレートをMAXに挙げた方がいいと思います^-^
的に命中しやすくなります^-^w
必ず最初の1スキルはクイックにあげてMAX

2009 7/24 11:37 AM
匿名
 232 

バッカニアのスキル振りですがスキル補正があった今はどれを捨てればいいんですかね?
やっぱりドレイン?

2009 9/8 12:01 AM
匿名
 233 

>232
修正により、EBは連射可能、変身中に一部スキル除き、通常スキル使用可になりましたので

実際自分はEBmaxにしました
となるとSWかドレインか悩みましたが結局ドレインmaxにしました
maxであれば道場なんかも回復しながら攻撃しながら接触しながらゲージ貯められて楽にグリフォンあたりまで行けますし、回復量が多いと神殿で大いに役立ちます

逆に自分はSW21も振りましたが、実際4次以降使ってません。

どれを削るかは自分で決めたほうがいいかなと思います、スキルの使いやすさ、狩りのスタイル、狩場…etcを考慮して。
亀レスでしたが投稿しました

2009 10/2 12:06 AM
らぃぉ
 234 

お初です☆銃の51LVです
棗の「羅維緒」と申しますw
最近やってないですが辿って行こうと思ってますw
ー…順番は覚えてないですが、
クイックMAX
ダッシュMAX
ダブルMAX
ストレート01
ムーン10
でした。ストレートは一応1振りましたw
海賊は、「スキルを楽しむ」職業だぁ!
多分
ダブルファイア10
   ↓
ダッシュMAX
   ↓
ダブルファイアMAX
と上げたのだと思います
(~20程まで苦労しました…)
一番育つのが速い振り方って何なんですかね?
ダブルファイアで狩るのとムーンサルトで狩るのどちらがいいんでしょう?
(↑最終的に銃前提で)
ムーンサルトからダブルファイア
(もしくはその逆)に切り替えるLVってどうなんでしょう?

2次は
ウィングス5
   ↓
バックステップショットMAX
   ↓
ウィングスMAX
で“ヘネシス 市場”のあの足場に乗りましたw
現在51LVですがインビジ(?)は
アイアンミュティorロイド狩りにしか使ったことありません;
(その行為で弱いのでしょうが…)
確か
バックステップショットMAX
ウィングスMAX
ガンブースター03
ガンマスターリ(?)11?
フェイクショット01
スローイン01
インビジブルショット(?)10?
最近やってないのでうろ覚えです…
自分的に育ちやすいものがいいと思います
(↑乗るために色々やったくせに…)
飽きっぽいんで達成感がないと…ってな理由でしたw

1次~3次までの最も育ちやすい育成教えてくださいw(ぁw
長文失礼;&回答まってま(つ^T)ノシ

2009 11/10 4:57 AM
さて
 235 

1次拳の場合、自分の装備や資産、また将来像と相談です。

クイックとムーンはMAXにしないと困るスキルなので基本確定です。
ですので、ダッシュかストーレートかの2択になります。

ダッシュを選ぶ人は、メインキャラなどに移動やジャンプ関係の装備が一切ない人。
今後作る(買う)予定がない人。(メルがない人)
これらの人はダッシュの方が良いでしょうね。
近距離職なので、移動が遅いと話になりません。
最低でも、将来的には丸薬込みで移動130は欲しいです。(装備で+20は欲しい)

逆に装備があったり、メルはあるので買える人。
こっちの人達はストレートMAXと残り1は銃のダブルに振るのがベストでしょう。
メイプル中級者以上の人達。

まぁ、ストレートもダッシュも将来は捨てスキルになりますので・・・・。(ダッシュは移動とジャンプ上げないとダメですが)
結局、好みになってくるのかなと思います。

ただ、個人的にはストレート捨ててダッシュMAXの方が特に初心者のプレーヤーにとっては楽かなと思います。
メインで150以上のキャラ持ちの人にとっては完全に好みの域でしょうね。

2009 11/10 4:45 PM
MooミキooM
 236 

1次拳の場合はやっぱりムーンとクイックをあげた方がいいと思います
それであまったスキルポイントをダッシュかストレート振ればいいと思います
(個人的にわダッシュだが)
まぁ好きなほうにふればいいでしょう
ちなみにムーンは3次になっても使いますから絶対にMAXにしたほうがよろしいかと思います

2009 11/22 2:41 PM
MooミキooM
 237 

追加ですいません…
みなさんできれば頻繁にコメントを載せませんか?
そうすればいい情報交換になりますしお互い(?)
によいと思います

2009 11/22 2:44 PM
MooミキooM
 238 

またまたすいませんこれで最後です。
僕は海賊はじめたばかりなのでなにかあったら教えてください
ちなみにぼくは楓鯖で活動中の拳15Lvです
あばたー名はここに書いてあるMooミキooMです
見かけたら声かけてください。
ほんとうに今日はおわりですありがとうございました

2009 11/22 2:48 PM
雷神卍光秀
 239 

初コメです。。
自分も始めたばかりですが。
さいしょのうちはナックル武器
でわなくスノーボードなどで
2次転職まで狩りをしたほうが絶対
効率がいいと思います

ちなみに
もみじ鯖の↑名前」です
ごあいする機会があれば
仲良くしましょう。

2009 11/22 10:41 PM
MooミキooM
 240 

ナックルでも25いけばわりといいのありますよ?
それにムーンがありますから
2次までは余裕でいけますよ
でも火力だけ考えるんだったらスノボでいいとおもいますよ
まぁ決めるのわ自分ですから
みなさん個人できめてがんばってくださいねー

2009 11/23 10:17 AM
メンテで暇人
 241 

だれか120~のスキル振りを細かく教えてくれる人いませんか?いたらコメントおねがいします。

2009 11/26 12:47 PM
Leaf
 242 

↑職書かないと答えることができる人いないですよ

2009 11/26 2:37 PM
メンテで暇人
 243 

ごめんなさい;キャプテンです

2009 11/26 3:00 PM
たんすさま
 244 

120で船1、ミサイル1にして130でキャノン30。

そこからは好みだけど俺はマインドとかに1振った後AH20、Rf30、みたいに上げていったよ。

AHの後にAL挟むのもありかな?

2009 11/26 6:38 PM
 245 

序盤でサポオク1振りを忘れてはいけませんよw火力が倍くらい変わる気がしますw
(はい、気のせいですw実際は1割程度だと思いますw)

あとはたんすさまさんとほぼ同意見ですねw自分はボス行かなかった(友少ない;-;)ので、キャノンの後ミサイル振って骨狩りしてましたけどw

2009 11/26 9:27 PM
たんすさま
 246 

俺は125からBG固定入ったからねぇ・・・

キャノン以外用無し(笑

今はクーリングが優秀だからミサイルもありかな?

金魚だけは何しても狩れないや(笑

2009 11/26 11:23 PM
たんすさま
 247 

追伸

キャノン30

素最高4000近くキープできるなら姫が何よりおいしい

2009 11/26 11:36 PM
弱め海賊
 248 

拳3次バッカニアのスキル振り
ひたすらメルが無い人へ・・・・
Eチャージ1
→Eバスター20
→Eチャージ10
→EバスターMAX
→EチャージMAXorEドレインMAX
→EドレインMAXorEチャージMAX
あとはご自由に・・・・これだと基本黒字なはずです。
ちょっと火力物足りない感じですが、ショックウェイブとかって4次すると使わない感じなので

2009 12/16 8:12 PM
kk
 249 

3次銃の場合はまず
トリプルファイヤMAXでその次に
クーリングかな
んで後は好きにすればいいかな
でもファイヤバーナはいらないね
あまったら上げるくらいでいいとおもいます

2009 12/31 3:13 PM
gunfiter
 250 

今なつめで活動中の3次銃です
自分の移動速度+バックステッポで
うり坊をこしました
なのでダッシュは必要かと思います

2010 1/7 3:02 PM
琥時王
 251 

二次とかでストレート使わないと思うwww

2010 3/31 9:21 PM
騎士
 252 

てヵ早くメンテ終われーw

2010 3/31 9:22 PM
すかい
 253 

私てきにはガンは
2次以降あまりムーンは使わないので
クイックあげたほうがいいのかなぁ~と

ダブルMAX クイックMAX
ダッシュMAX ムーン11

これがいいと思う

2010 5/8 6:19 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 254 

僕もそうやりました。
ムーンサルトは0距離が出来る今は
あまり意味が無いですからね、
インビジでもろに代用できますし、
11で十分ですよ。

2010 5/8 9:22 PM
ガンマン
 255 

やっと3次しましたw
結構トリプルファイヤつかえますねw

2010 6/22 2:40 AM
火炎龍響鬼
 256 

韓国テストサーバーで、クリティカルが実装されました、
今のところ、実装時にSPはオールリセット
(振ってない状態になる)
されるという線が高いようですから、
実装された後はスローイン分の
SPをクリティカルに振るといいかもしれません。
 
おそらくMAXLV10だと思うので、
もしもの時のためにスローインは
3次転職目前まで振らないようにしましょう。

2010 6/22 7:43 AM
銃のスキル振り
 257 

銃の場合はねぇー
DFMAX
 ↓
ダッシュMAX
 ↓
ムーンMAX
 ↓
クイック余り
ですねw

2010 7/6 6:37 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 258 

銃だったらやっぱりそうなるんでしょうね、
移動が遅いのがしんどく感じる人は
DF2、ダッシュ1上げでもいいかもしれませんね。

2010 7/7 8:30 AM
銃士
 259 

銃の場合は                         スキル        レベル                ストレート       1                  ムーンサルト     10                 クイックモーション  20                 ダブルファイア    20                 ダッシュ        10                にしました。 正しいかわからないけど参考にどうぞ         

2010 10/31 2:05 PM
伊藤総理
 260 

ちょっと読みにくいけど良いと思いますよ

2010 10/31 7:00 PM
賢く生きれない奴を馬鹿と言う
 261 

>ちょっと読みにくいけど良いと思いますよ
 
いや、君が言うことじゃないだろ、
他の文章見る限り、小文字ばかり
使って読みにくいし、文章力も無いに等しい。
銃士さんのほうが俺には353倍読みやすいけどな。
下手糞な文章力の癖して上から物を言ってるのが
腹が立ったので。

2010 11/1 10:04 AM
伊藤総理
 262 

僕が悪かったです
読みにくいなんて言って本当に失礼しました

2010 11/1 5:26 PM
ジャクム簡単すぎっ!
 263 

↑ 君が謝る必要はないと思う
伊藤さんすごい嫌な気持ちだったと思いますよ
そこの辺直しといたほうが良いよ

2010 11/2 3:53 PM
匿名
 264 

↑からの流れを見ての僕個人の意見
 
個人的にも、ちょっと気になったところを賢く・・・sが
言ってらっしゃったんですが
伊藤さんが嫌な気持ちになったのは、
僕も十分わかりますが。
某提示版で、自分の文章力が疎いことに
ある時気付き、どうにかこうにかマシな状態にまで
文章力を鍛えました。
 
伊藤さんも僕を見習え
なんて言うつもりは無いですが、
形が間違っていたとは言え、賢く・・・sの言っていたことは
多少なりとも事実です。
 
自覚を持って謝っているのならば、それは良いこと。
痛みを持って自分の現状を知り、
その現状を直す術を見に付けられる良い機会です。
 
どう受け取るかは伊藤s次第でしょうが、
賢く・・・sの言ってることも一理ある。
と僕は思いました。

2010 11/2 7:25 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 265 

銃士sのスキルぶり、
僕ならストレートには振りませんね。
 
拳つけてないと発動できませんし、
何かと使い勝手のいい
ムーンサルトのほうに1振るほうが、
無難な判断なんじゃないかと思います。

2010 11/4 5:05 PM
バッカニアのスキル振りわかんね
 266 

まあ拳なら
ムーンMAX・ストレート18・ クイックMAX・DF1・残りダッシュでしょ
ムーンは70まで使ってましたし結構使えますよ

2010 11/6 11:36 PM
匿名
 267 

何故拳でDF振ったし

2010 11/7 1:32 AM
殴り
 268 

インファイター志望です。ムーンサルトもダッシュも上げたいし、でもクイックモーションもあげたほうがいいと思うんですよね・・・・・・。どうしたらいいんですか?

2010 11/20 6:35 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 269 

何をMAXにするかを決めましょう。
 
ダッシュはまず移動が銃と比べると劣る(2次~3次狩りの時)
拳なので、MAX必須だと思います。
1次は30Lvまでなので、10Lv~30Lv
20Lvの間に貰うSPは60、
拳で全てをMAXにしたいと思えば70は必要です
ですから、10くらい削ることになるんですが、
30Lvまでの間、主にカニングクエストくらいにしか
お世話にならないんですが
 
そこでの狩り方によるでしょう、ワニを
一匹ずつ少しずつ狩っていくのか、ワニを大量に
一気に狩るか。
 
前者はストレートメイン、後者はムーンサルトですが
僕ならば複数を同時に狩り、残った1匹をストレートで
しとめます。
 
つまりはムーンサルトを20に、ストレートを11にします
どうせ30Lvまでなので、複数を同時に倒せたほうが
何かと都合が良いですからね。
 
当然ダブルファイアは振らないでください。
あとムーンサルトを先に振ってくださいね
 
お役に立てたら幸いです。

2010 11/21 2:04 PM
殴り
 270 

↑ありです!!役に立ちました!!
でも・・・ダブルファイア1あげちゃっt・・・
僕はムーンサルトMAXにします!

2010 11/23 2:38 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 271 

1くらいは問題ないですよ、
要するにストレートが11ではなく、
10になるだけのことですからね。
 
肝心なのは2次からです、
インファイターのスキルツリー等を参考にして
育成してくださいね。
 
取り返しのつかないようなミスをおかさないように
気をつけてくださいね。

2010 11/23 9:15 PM
レンレン
 272 

ムーンサルト70どころか
4次までずっと使いますよ・・・

ビックバンでスキル振り替わってしまったけど

エネルギーチャージがたまるまでは
パンチか、エルボか、ムーンサルトで複数攻撃するしかないですからね

パンチ多用する人はダッシュ0でも問題ないですね
つか邪魔ですし

移動はライディングが簡単に貰えるようになったし

パンチ溜めてる間はダッシュできませんからね

銃でピラミッド行く事が多い人はムーンサルトが6体攻撃できるまで振った方が楽ですよ

それ以外ではあまり役に立ちませんが
狩場でムーンサルト狩りする事はまずないですね
弾丸きれてる場合は別ですけど

2010 11/25 12:55 PM
レンレン
 273 

ダッシュと、ダブルファイヤどっち使ったかというと

ダッシュは装備強化で移動とジャンプがMAXになっていればまったく使用しないスキルになります

ダブルファイヤはちなみに拳ですが20ありますww

イベントで宇宙人捕まえるクエストがあったのですが、あの時は追いかけて叩くよりも
銃装備して連射した方が効率よかったですからね

飛んでいる敵には銃は有効ですからね、自動照準ですし射程長いし

ダブルファイヤも時々あると便利ですねというレベルです

逆にクイックモーション足りませんでしたが
命中に困る敵はあまりいませんでしたね

今回のビックバンでスキル振り直すか迷ってますが・・

ダッシュは0にする予定

2010 11/25 1:27 PM
伊藤総理
 274 

そういう考え方もあったのか!
ダブルファイアって4次転まで必須ですかね。

2010 11/25 2:22 PM
レンレン
 275 

銃装備していても、ストレートは撃てますよ
拳でナックル装備しないと撃てないのは2次以降のスキルだけ

3次のエネルギードレインは銃装備していても使えますけどね(あえて銃装備する必要はないですが・・・)
銃装備するにはDEXがひたすら必要なため
レベル=DEXでは装備できませんよ
M銃やビジター銃ならDEX不要ですが火力下がりますのでダメージ固定の敵以外あまり使用できませんね(イベントの時しか使用ないし)

2010年4月のスキル変更で銃のスキルが至近距離でも使用可能になったので接近した敵にストレートで対応するより、ダブルファイヤで仕留めた方が早くなってしまったので、銃にはストレートが不要になりましたね

2010 11/25 3:09 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 276 

伊藤sダブルファイアは4次までというか、
実質3次までです、3時からはトリプルファイアに振って、
ダブルファイアはトリプルファイアとして使用するようになります。
狩場によっては4次でも使用することはあるみたいですが、
4次の基本火力はバトルシップ系のスキルです。
BIGBANG後は確かバトルシップの再使用待機時間が最短で30秒か15秒くらいだったはずです。
その間だけ、ラピッドファイアやトリプルファイアなどを
使うのが4次の主流の狩りです。
ダブルファイア→トリプルファイア→脇役
みたいな感じです。
ラピッドファイア、あぁ4次のスキルで要するにアサルトライフルのごとく
1秒間に8発くらいを連射できるようになるスキルなんですが、
そちらも何時だったかのスキル修正の時に
威力が向上し、結構強くなっています
4次になって、バトルシップが壊れたとき、
弾丸の消費を押さえたいならトリプルファイア
みたいな形になると思いますよ。

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