クーリングエフェクト最初に1あげてますが、1だと二体しか当たらない、グライズブレッド?が必要なため最初はフェイクショットで十分だとおもいます。
アドバンスホーミングは覚えたほういいとおもいます。
ホーミングはボスにも有効らしく、アドバンスホーミングで与えるダメージが増加するらしいです。
ほんとかどうかしりませんけどね

そうなんすかぁ？

ぜひクーリングエフェクトの、スキルレベルによる効果対象数・氷結持続時間の推移を書き込んでほしいかもです。

ちなみに、クーリングエフェクトで使用する「グレイスカプセル」は、フリーズケンタウロスからのドロップが確認されているようです。

どうやら俺は勘違いをしていたようだ
クーリングなどの属性攻撃は普通の弾でも出せるようです。
ただ専用属性だとダメージが増加するようです。

予測ですが、
クーリング
1~10の凍結時間2秒
11~20 3秒
21~30 4秒
だと思われます。

↑最初にトリプルあげた方がlvあげ楽だよ!

一気に火力あがるし

凍結が目的であれば、クーリングエフェクトを凍結時間と攻撃可能数が最大になる26でとめたほうがいいかもしれませんね。

これでファイアバーナーがＭＡＸになり、火弱点に対する攻撃力が格段に上がるはずです。
最後にひとつだけ知りたいことが・・・。
各属性攻撃はゼロ距離発動なのでしょうかね？

どうやら近距離でもいけるようですね。

Fﾊﾞｰﾅｰの特徴
敵が凍結してる場合それを解除

ｸｰﾘﾝｸﾞの特徴
やけどしてる敵に撃ってもやけどダメージは継続する

マクロでFB→CEのコンボでやるといいかも
両方耐性がない場合ww

クーリングの凍結時間は特殊ぽいです。
25で4秒~7秒凍結します。
平均的に4~5秒あたりが多いですね
一体に撃つと6~7秒続きました。
これは一体・・・・・・

へぇ～

そういえばFBうったあとに
CEうってまたFBの繰り返しってできるの?

氷結系のスキルはたいてい氷結した後、攻撃した場合は氷結時間が短くなり、攻撃しない場合は長くなります。その関係ではないでしょうか。

ホーミングとアドバンスドホーミングがボスにも効く仕様なのは事実のようです。
ジャクムなどの召喚する敵にはホーミングは結構使えるスキルだと思います。

まあ、振るのは一番最後になりそうですが。

FB→CE→FB→CEなら連発可能
しかし遠距離攻撃できるやつは一瞬で反撃してきます

なるほど……

Lv71あたりでホーミングに1振れば親分狩りが楽になります。

親分狩れるの！？

初耳
その情報狩り場の掲示板にも書いて

装備の補正もあるかもしれないけど
>>14の言葉を信じて
71レベになったら親分狩りに逝ってくる

無理だと思う

一回行ったけど

一撃で死亡したよ

いやいけるにはいけますよ
まずホーミングを親分にあて、バックステップショットで逃げ、TFでずっと攻撃すれば倒すことはできます。
たぶんTF3では押すこともできないので、TFMAXになってからじゃないと死にまくりだと思います。
親分に振れればLv180でもない限り即死と考えていい
180で親分は糞まずいですがww

３次のクーリングが近くでうてるって書いてたけどそれが本当だったら３次の石弓のアイスショットが・・・

クーリングって1Ｌｖで何秒凍るの？

クーリングはｶﾌﾟｾﾙなくても使えます

なんだこの拳との格差・・・

やはり火力が目をひくのか・・・？
違うだろ
キャラは愛がありゃ育つんだぜ？

えと見てる人で銃の人いたら言います～人によって感触は違いますが８０ちょいに（ぼくは８３から）なったら卵の安置がうまいんと思うんですけどその場合クーリングがまったく不必要な上しばらくそこで狩れそうなのでとんでもない振り方ですがTFMAX後タコに最初に振ってもいいっぽいですｗ（僕はクーリングに振ってしまったため今大急ぎでタコを上げてるｗ）
のですが意見あったらお願いしますｗ

レベルが低いとタコが卵に攻撃してくれないのでいまいちかもしれません、あと78くらいでも卵狩れますよ＾＾（私の経験だと

卵を狩るためにTFMAX後にタコMAXにしました。
狩り方としては、
卵を倒した後に次の卵が出るまでの間に１匹召喚する。また卵を倒したら新しいタコを召喚する。
１匹倒すのに１０秒掛かるか掛からない程度なのでちょうどいいです。
これの繰り返しで常に２体～出てる状態を作れるので効率が良くなるかと。

140銃です

失敗＾＾
120くらいの時までキルヒアイズｓの狩りかたをしてました。鳥MAXも一緒に召還して沸いたらTFでたたいてを繰り返してました。

恐ろしく単調であきますが・・・・
時給4Mくらいですか。

クーリングＭＡＸなら凍結＋ＴＦで姫いけるかと＾＾；

ﾎｰﾐﾝｸﾞ、鳥MAXにしてCE、FBを少なくするのもｱﾘだよね
４次ｽｷﾙでCE、FBの火力もあがるみたいだし

７１でＴＦ・ホーミングに振るのがいいね ホーミング１あげたらＴＦMAXだね 体験談から言うとクーリングは26で氷弾使っても限界４ｋ位だし・・・ ホーミング１あれば親分も余裕で倒せるはず

クーリングをあげる理由はダメージではなく、凍結だと思いますが?
ダメージ気にするならファイアバーナー振るのがいいです。

親分にホーミングやってもKBできなきゃ話にならない気がしますが・・・・
TF10くらいは必要かな
余裕で狩るには
手下がわいて(召喚)手下がこっち着たら殴りになるので、早く親分を処理できないとだめですからね

自分は今、キャプテンで３次はカブオタMAX型ですが､ガブオタMAXの場合はFBを捨て､他をMAXが一般的かと思います。
基本的にFB･CEは専用弾があっても、また４次で威力が上がるにしてもたいした火力は望めません！CEについつは氷結効果により多用するのでMAX必須ですがFBは利点がないためまったく使いません。火傷効果など微少ダメであり、FBを撃つ暇があればメイン火力(３次:TF ４次:ｷｬﾉﾝ･ﾗﾋﾟ)を撃ちなさぃってわけです。
そしてﾎｰﾐﾝｸﾞは４次でAﾎｰﾐﾝｸﾞに変わり、ボス戦火力増加につながるので絶対にMAX必須です。

ｲｴﾍﾟﾍﾟ狩るのにFBあげようとしたけど…
FBmaxよりもTFで狩ったほうが効率いいのかな？

７０で転職して最初にふるのゎ結局何がいいんですヵぁ？ＴＦかｸｰﾘﾝｸﾞどっちヵだと思ってるんですヶどねぇｗ

TF一気にMAXにして単体攻撃を強くするならTFに1
TFを一気にあげないのならほかのスキルに振ったほうがいいです。
TF1じゃもう振り変えない限りダブルファイアがでないので、速さ的にダブルファイアのほうがいいですから

ちなみにクーリング1でもいいですが、凍結時間はおよそ1秒程度なので、一気に振らないのであれば、足止めはフェイクショットでいいと思います。
また、CEorFBをふる場合カプセルがすくない場合は、振らないほうがいいです。
はっきりいって弱すぎます。
CEorFBメインで狩りするなら3.4個はもっていたほうがいいです。

109ｌｖ銃ですが、ﾎｰﾐﾝｸﾞいりますよ。後、ｶﾞﾌﾞｱｲｵｰﾀは最後あたりでいいんじゃないでしょうか？

みなさんはFBいくつ振ってますか？
教えてください＞＜

僕はＦＢ２6です

俺は３０まで振るつもりです
予定なのでこれから先変わるかも知れませんが・・・。

使ったことナイ＾＾
１１ですね

親分狩りやすいから僕は26ですかね。カプセルはFB１個、CE3個です。

もうちょいで銃も三次するんですが意見参考にしてこういう振り方でいいでしょうか?いい付利肩あったら教えてください(_　_)。
TF20
　↓
ｸｰﾘﾝｸﾞ30
　↓
ﾀｺ30
　↓
鴎15
　↓
ﾎｰﾐﾝｸﾞ30
　↓
ﾊﾞﾅ26
お願いします(@@;)。

いきなりトリプル全部ふるより10ぐらいでとめてクーリングをふっておいたほうがいいとおもうよ。相手凍らせておいてバクステで逃げたりとか。（フェイクショットでも代用可だけど。）

フェイクmaxならＴＦ20まですぐ上げるのがいいと思います。

あとＦＢは４次では完全に捨てスキルです

♪卵特化型♪

フェイクmax前提で

ＴＦ20

タコ30＋かもめ30　平行上げ
(卵必中になったら安置からひたすらたたく）

クーリング30
ホーミング30

＠11お好きに！

あ;俺三次したら卵狩るつもりです。まあいろいろ意見ありです。卵狩るのにいい振り方友から教えてもらいました。
TF20

タコ30

かもめ15

クーリング30

ホーミング30残り26はFB
かもめて四次で使うんでしょうか?エアストライクのために１５止めにしておきます。

俺的にＦＢ以外ＭＡＸでＦＢは１だけあげて余りのｓｐは１次とか２次のスキルに振るってのはどうかな？
ＦＢは４次してもあまり使わないし・・・(体験談)

CE使ってみて分かったのですが、
CEで凍らせた敵を攻撃すると凍結解除されますよね。（Lv低いからですかね?
対してフェイクショットは、
殴りとタコ以外の攻撃では気絶解除されませんでした。
まぁ何がいいたいかといいますと、
フェイクショットの方が優秀ではないか、ということです。

>>717
それはまだCEのスキルレベルが低くて凍結時間が短いためなだけです

上ミス
>>47です

今気づいたんですが
　
ファイアーバーナーって上げる必要性が
　
そんなに無いような気がします
　
理由としてあげられるのは
　
1･火力重視ならトリプルファイア(以下TF)
　
のほうが断然火力があるから
　
2･クーリングエフェクトを使って氷結させている
　
間にTFを連発すれば予測ではあるが
　
そちらのほうが火力が高い
　
3･氷耐性を持っているものではボスが多いつまり
　
PTで狩って氷雷魔なんかに補ってもらうことができる。
　
4･ボスは大親分なんかも火弱点ではあるものの
　
氷について強い耐性は持っていない
　
以上の点から11までファイアーバーナーを上げれ　
　
ばある程度の氷属性への対応もできると思う
　
あくまでも自論であるので参考にしないほうが
　
吉でしょう。ですがガブアイオータや
　
ホーミングをMAXにすることで安置がりも出来る
　
この利点を考えればこのあげ方も悪くはないと
　
思います。。

PTで狩って氷雷魔なんかに補ってもらうことができる
すいませんこれ火毒魔でした

カモメとFB削って

一次のクイックモーションに振るのってありでしょうか？

最初はトロプルファイヤあげてから
そのあとクーリングですよ
その後は自由ですかね
でもファイヤバーナーはいりません
あまったので十分です
使いませんから

卵で狩りしてたらクーリングゎ序盤でゎ要らないと思います
TF、タコ　MAXにしてるほうが全然良いと思いますよ

追加です

自分７４～卵行ったんですが
ミスが気にならない方であれば卵がオススメ！！！
どこよりも効率良いと思います

５分　６～８％ぐらい上がりますよｗ

卵狩りの話ですが、自論でしかありませんので、御注意下さい。

自分は71から卵行きましたが、5分5%（サクあり）程度でした。安置狩りですので、本読んだりしながら狩れます。
ここからTF上がるごとに効率はUPしていきます。

TFMAXで次はクーリングMAXです。

ここでクーリングが4秒凍らせるようになったら、安置狩りから奥の二体目まで狩れる狩り方に移行します。
こちらの方が断然美味しかったです。

たこは召喚する必要はない気がします。
スキルLv26現在で３ｋ出るか出ないかですので、その間にTF撃った方が強いです。
たこ召喚しようと宙返りしてる間に攻撃くらうと、ペットが回復してくれませんし。
その点、鳥はほぼ隙なしで出せますので、鳥の方がいいかもです。
鳥はスキルLv３振っただけで2.3k程度出してたような気がします。

自分もバーナーは要らないと思います。

以上のことを踏まえて、
TFMAX
↓
クーリングMAX
↓
鳥MAX
↓
たこMAX
↓
ホーミングMAX
残りをバーナー
という感じでおっけーではないでしょうか。

↑補足ですが、自分は70LvまでDEX極振りでしたので、卵必中でした。

銃＝命中馬鹿・・・

それは自信を持って言える・・・

つっきーｓの振り方に賛成っす。
(自分は普通振りの80~でしたが…
召喚先上げしたんですが、正直いらないです。
(INT装備云々には良いですが、俺持ってないし((
安置⇒＋奥　になるまでが結構辛かったです。

ジャッジメント＋ペットでクーリング無しでもノーダメいけそうな予感。(現在ペットLv低くて結構ダメ受けてしまいます
(4次後、ラピット振るとかなり受けなくなりそうだけど弾代で赤字か…？)

同マップに人居ないと薬代で赤いです…。
狩友居ない自分はch回って回って…
それで居ない場合は諦めるか安置ですpq

下段、うまいかどうかはさておいて、行けるんですね。新鮮でした。

TTの1発が80LVで4k、100LVで5k超えないならTT連発よりLV21のタコ出した方がダメでかいよ
>>56さんので例えるなら1回に2.7k与えるタコが9回攻撃=24.3kのダメージ
これに匹敵させるならTTの1発が8k超えないとタコが勝つ計算
TT1回とタコ召喚はほぼ同じ時間のモーションだし

卵安置狩りのみに関してですが、沸き時間(8秒？10秒？)の間に卵をＴＦのみで倒せるならタコは全く必要ないです。
どうせ沸き時間内に早く倒しても、次が沸くまでにやることないんですし。

ただ、沸き時間内にＴＦだけで倒せない　or　奥や↑の卵も攻撃したい　のならタコは必要になってくるでしょうね。そこら辺は自分の火力と相談ですね。

ちなみに私はタコ＞鳥推奨です。(卵狩り中心なら)　卵で効率を求めていくのなら、どうしても奥や↑の卵に手を出していく必要があるので。どれだけ手前の卵を早く処理できるかが鍵になると思います。

フリマの1-1～1-4をとらせてくれた方に先着1名様に10ｍをさしあげましょう　4/8？くらいにメンテで1-4にあった露天が消えてしまったのです　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　wisよろ

投稿前に再度読みなおしてわかった＠＠

>61
「どうせ沸き時間内に早く倒しても、次が沸くまでにやることないんですし。」
安置狩りでもそうですが、奥+でも同じでは？
なので、結局、
沸き時間内にＴＦry　時には召喚を
ってことですよね。
──
80Lv　トリプルファイアMAX
100Lv　召喚21　クーリングエフェクト21

召喚しながら安置殴りするとしての上げ方
って…こ、こんな？
(銃殴りの心配が無くなったので、(反撃してくる敵を狩らない場合
(自分はロイド⇒ウィンドライダー⇒卵でした
(…フェイク捨てでないなら
101まで安置って遅すぎるか？
ん？；でも60はタコが21Lvの時の計算であって…
安置⇒奥＋になるのって何時ですかね？
(自分の覚えてない(っていうか参考にならないと思う
(狩れても狩る人が居なかったので結構安置居たような

長文失礼しました…

沸き時間は4.5秒ですよ。(MCで8秒も敵が出ないならイライラするでしょ？w)
8秒.10秒ということは1週しちゃってますね。
なのでタコ無しで6秒で倒せるならば、タコを使って4秒にできれば使うメリットが出てきます。

安置狩り⇒奥狩りに移る頃合いとしては空白の時間ができやすい状況になったときでしょうかね？
例とするなら6秒で倒すことが増えた時に一時的に奥に、4秒で倒せるLVになったなら安置に戻るって感じかと思います。

おまけ
沸き時間内に撃てるTFの回数は7～8回(1週して14～15回)
10回ほどで倒してる方はタコ振りや奥への移動を考えてもいいかと思います。

>64
fmfm…。
返信ありがとうございます。
4.5秒って初知りでしたPq(ミニマップ使わないからなー…)
自身で確認してから言うべきでした…本当に申し訳ありません。

情報ありがとうございました
参考にさせて頂きますm(＿

ダブルファイアのスレで
議論したんですが、
　
ダブルファイアの火力が上昇したため、
トリプルファイアは7一気に振らない限り
ダブルファイアを上回りません。
　
ですから、クーリングエフェクト1
転職時に振った後は、
3LVほどのSPを貯めた後、
一気振りがいいと思います。

前ステ振りに間違えて、カキコしてしまったので　ここでもう一回カキコします　　75のヴァイキングでやっています　　　　　　　　　　　　いい感じのうまい狩り場ないですか？　　　あったならもう一回カキコおねです　　　　　　

ステ振り板で答えてくれた方々にお礼もせず同じ質問？

ふ ざ け る な

卵とふれあえ

ってかこの
メイポ海賊育成ガイドに
狩場情報なんてあったっけ？
　
もっと調べれば、
似たようなページ出てくるんだけどね。；

ＢＢ後の銃ですが、ファイアバーナー捨てがいいかもしれない。
それかカモメ捨て？

BB無体験なんですが、
それは何故ですか？

同じくバーナーあんまり使わなそうだから切ろうと思っています
ファイアバーナー 11/20
トリプルファイア 20/20
オクトパス 30/30
ガブアイオータ 30/30
クーリングエフェクト 20/20
ラッキーダイス 20/20
ホーミング 20/20
こんなかんじでどうでしょ？

ガブアイオータの使い心地によります
　
僕個人としては、ファイアバーナも26まで
あげた方が良いと思うのですが。
(既存と同じ上げ方)
　
ガブアイオータの火力、使い心地が
ファイアバーナーを圧倒的に上回るようなら
ファイバーナーは切り捨てても良いかと思いますが
どんな感じですか？

BB後に3次職したので
どうスキル振りすればいいのか
わからない・・・；

誰かBB後のヴァイキングのスキル振りが
載ってるサイト教えてー＞＜

大体は前と一緒で良いと思いますよ
　
ラッキーダイスも見る限りでは
効果が確実でないので、後回しになると思うので。
　
サイトは分かりません。申し訳ございません

ガブアイ捨てのほうがいいと思うよ正直ｋｓスキルｗ　
　

ファイア威力上がったしね

4次のエアストライクのことを考えれば
15までは振ったほうがいいのではないかと思うのですが？

全部で160だから他MAXにしてもガブ21振れる これで十分

あﾎﾝﾄですね。
　
納得しました

２次のとき　僕　フェイクじゃなくてスローインMAXにしちゃったけど　間違えてますか？

僕も間違えて上げてしまったんですよね。
少し距離感がつかめないっていうところもありますが慣れれば高台から落としてダメージ与えたり、さらにHP減少の　お得？な効果もついているんで僕にとってはあまり公開してませんね。
読みにくそうな文章すいませんでした。

別にスローインにふれば３次の狩りの時
のことを考えて、フェイクショットをMAXにしたほうがいいですね；

今ヴァイキング１０５や・・ｗｗ
俺はかもめ捨てでｗ
４次にエアストライクあればいいし
ガブアイはバーナーみたいに
一回つかったらすぐだせないから～
クーリングエフェクトと
ファイアーバーナ交互で使って狩りしてますｗ

つかSP合計１６０じゃないようなｗ

とにかくFBとCEの交互が一番効率がいいです。５分で７％、ダイス六で９％でした。なのでTF１→FBとCEを同時に上げていき両方MAX→TFをMAX→ダイスをMAX→タコMAX→ホーミングMAX→カブオタ２１でいいと思います。はっきりいって動物（タコも含める）は使いません

あの～　質問なんですけど

ラッキーダイスっていらないんですか…？ｗ

いらないと思いますよ。
運要素大きいですし。
他のスキルのほうが優先すべきだと思います

ラッキーダイスは、必要。
優先度は後だが、最終的にはＭＡＸ推奨。
バカっぽいけど、使ってみると、意外とハマル。
ビシャス討伐時に６出たりするとテンション上るぞｗ

僕もラッキーダイスは、必要だと思う。
ダイスの６がでれば少しでもレベ上げが楽になる。
けどポイントを振ったのが少ないと時間が減るから
少し困りますね。
なのでＭＡＸがいいと思いますよ。
（僕的には）

かもめいがいいるから

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