スキル名 状態 マスター
レベル
効果 条件
メイプルヒーロー メイプルヒーロー Active 10 一定時間の間、グループ員の全てのステータスを一定量増加させる。  
ヒーローインテンション ヒーローインテンション Active 1 特定の状態異常を解消する。 レベルが上がるつれて、解除できる状態異常の種類が増加する。  
アットレビュートアップ アットレビュートアップ Active 30 ファイアバーナークーリングエフェクトの攻撃力と効果をアップさせる。  
アドバンスドホーミング アドバンスドホーミング Active 20 ホーミングにかかったモンスターに大きなダメージを与える。 ホーミング30
サポートオクトパス サポートオクトパス Active 20 オクトパス一匹が追加で召喚され、連射速度やダメージが上昇する。 オクトパス30
エアストライク エアストライク Active 30 ガブアイオータの爆弾攻撃で6匹以下の多数の敵を攻撃する。 ガブアイオータ15
ラピッドファイア ラピッドファイア Active 30 とても素早く弾を発射する。スキルキーを押し続けると持続的に弾が出る。 トリプルファイア20
マインドコントロール マインドコントロール Active 20 モンスターをマインドコントロールし、一定時間の間自分を攻撃しないで他のモンスターを攻撃するようにする。  
バトルシップ バトルシップ Active 10 バトルシップに搭乗する。ダメージを受けるたびに耐久度が減少し、0になったら一定時間の間は搭乗することができない。  
バトルシップキャノン バトルシップキャノン Active 30 砲弾を連続でいくつ発射する。バトルシップに搭乗した状態でのみ使用可能である。 バトルシップ1
バトルシップミサイル バトルシップミサイル Active 30 敵を貫く丈夫な砲弾を発射する。バトルシップに搭乗した状態でのみ使用可能である。 バトルシップ1

コメント611件

??
 1 

!!!!!!!!!!Σ(゜ω゜)

2008 7/27 12:30 PM
海賊っち
 2 

最強だわ・・・海賊

2008 7/27 4:18 PM
シーク
 3 

ラピッドファイアいいですね    早くやりたいです  海賊。

2008 7/29 7:33 PM
(>∀<)
 4 

ラビットファイア、マジ強いね 連射って異常だよ

2008 7/30 9:38 AM
\(゜ロ\)(/ロ゜)/
 5 

マインドコントロールってボス戦のときまわりのモンスターで攻撃できるのかな

2008 7/30 9:43 AM
ある人
 6 

弓の暴風は1秒10発だけど
ラピッドは1秒7発だと聞きました(○’ω’○)
あと、エアストライクは威力1500%だそうな・・・

2008 7/30 12:39 PM
やほぅ
 7 

youtubeに載ってる動画はスキルレベル1みたいですね!
・・・キャラのレベは高いけど

2008 7/30 12:47 PM
xガンスリンx
 8 

にぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁ海賊奥深い~~~~~にゃ。。。。にゃんにゃんにゃ~~~~ん

2008 7/30 2:04 PM
ガンスリン
 9 

みなさぁん海賊のがんすりんかいんふぁいたーどっちがつよい!?

2008 7/31 6:56 AM
ガンスリン
 10 

今海賊28です早く2次したいぃ~

2008 7/31 6:57 AM
ガンスリンガーー希望
 11 

マインドコントロールってコントロールしてるもんスターはキャラクターに攻撃されたりしたり出来るんですか?

2008 7/31 11:14 PM
(´・ω・`)
 12 

アドバンスドホーミングはボスにも有効という噂は本当か?

2008 8/1 1:41 AM
画が我
 13 

ガン最強だよねw

2008 8/1 10:32 AM
Captain
 14 

え・・・ちょ、バトルシップってそんなのアリですか、
サ〇ゲッチュにでてくるスぺ〇ターのフライングチェアと似てますね、なんでもアリですね海賊は(^0^)

2008 8/1 11:38 AM
x眠いぉx
 15 

バトルシップ使いたいwww
うけるw

2008 8/2 11:17 PM
 もう8月3日かょ
 16 

ラピッド連射はいいとおもうけど
弓の暴風のほうがあきらかに強いと思います
ガンはクリティカルがなくて火力ひくく武器の攻撃力も高くないにくらべて
弓は武器の攻撃力がいうほどでもないですけどガンにくらべたかい上にクリティカルで威力が2倍になるのでラピットは連射で速く、たくさんうてますが火力がそれほど高くないと思います

2008 8/3 12:17 AM
雪風
 17 

新情報です。 アットレビュートアップは熟練度もあがるらしいです

2008 8/3 11:21 PM
暇な詩人
 18 

ほぉ!熟練度まであがるか
こりゃ楽しくなりそうだ

2008 8/3 11:30 PM
エアストライク
 19 

エアストライクは30で1500%だったかな?でも韓国ではエアストライクMB30はホンテ産…まぁ20でも900%くらぃだったはずなので十分強いんですがねww

2008 8/4 2:19 AM
匿名
 20 

アドバンスドホーミングがボスに有効且つ他プレイヤーもその効果を受けれるなら銃にも未来があるのだがどうなんだろ・・

2008 8/4 3:57 AM
" 'ζ_,`"
 21 

インファイター強すぎウワァァ━━━━━。゚(゚´Д`゚)゚。━━━━━ン!!!!

2008 8/4 6:58 PM
" 'ζ_,`"
 22 

海賊…_〆(゚▽゚*)キタ―――――ヽ(´ー`)ノ―――――!!!

2008 8/4 7:00 PM
jiih
 23 

海賊ぅぅぅぅぅぅぅぅ

2008 8/6 12:49 PM
野菜的な何か
 24 

>>ある人s

自分4次弓もってますが、暴風の連射は秒間8.4発で、10発というのはガセですよん。
ラピッドファイアも同じ連射だと聞きました。単発の火力倍率はラピッドのほうが高いみたいです。

2008 8/6 12:54 PM
ニコバン
 25 

暴風とラピッドは連射速度同じです。
暴風はMAX100%でクリティカルが     あるのに対してラピッドはMAXで      160%だったと思います。どちらが強いん
でしょうか。。
後質問。シャープアイズMAXを使うと
弓使いのクリティカルって55%の確立
240%の威力になるんですか?

2008 8/6 1:17 PM
艦砲射撃
 26 

ウィングスなしでクリティカルあったらと何度も思う

2008 8/6 2:37 PM
 27 

銃3次やっといきました・・・TF強い~~~~~~~のでw皆さん2次であいきらめないでねw☆

2008 8/6 7:21 PM
海海うみ
 28 

バトルシップ超ウケルwww

2008 8/7 1:46 AM
野菜的な何か
 29 

>>ニコバンs

クリティカル能力を持つ職業に限り、シャープアイズの計算式が異なります。

弓使いを例に取ると、シャープなしのクリティカルは
100%+100%=200%。

シャープをつけると、クリティカルの式が「上書き」されるのではなく、「上乗せ」されます。また、クリティカル判定が二重になるようで、元のスキル説明にさらに100%のダメージが追加されます。

よって、SEがMAXの場合・・・
100%(通常攻撃)+100%(クリティカル)+140%(SE)=340%

通常攻撃が最大で340%にまで膨れ上がるのがSEです。
これは、同様にクリティカル判定をもつ投げにも適用されます。
多分、銃使いには、+140%が加わって、ラピッドファイアは単発300%になるでしょうね。
元々クリティカルは持たないので、確率は15%ですが・・・w

ちなみに、弓使いが使った場合の確率については55%で正解です。

2008 8/7 12:21 PM
おはよう
 30 

SEのない暴風とかうける

2008 8/7 10:50 PM
seu
 31 

海賊かっこいいよwww

2008 8/8 6:00 PM
海賊XOX海賊
 32 

なんでこんな強いんだーーーーーーメインつくったのがむだみたいw

2008 8/9 10:18 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 33 

エアストライクの再使用時間はおよそ5秒くらいぽいですよっと

2008 8/10 4:02 AM
ニコバン
 34 

>野菜的な何かs

詳しくありがとうございます。
そんなに強いスキルだとは知りませんでしたw
だからフリマでMBが億越えとかしてるんですね。

2008 8/10 8:01 AM
ニコバン
 35 

MBじゃないですね^^;
スキルブックでした。

2008 8/10 8:05 AM
( ゚Д゚ )ハァ?
 36 

海賊って銃のほうが断然攻撃速度が速いwww
けど、1発の攻撃力はファイターのほうが強いという

どっちも選びがたいw

2008 8/10 12:43 PM
絶対銃派
 37 

確か銃も四次スキルでドラゴンストライクがあったような気がします( ̄∇ ̄;)どうでしょうか?

2008 8/12 12:08 PM
ぬぬ
 38 

先に何をあげればいいんでしょうか?

2008 8/13 6:41 PM
ラァウォン
 39 

なんか銃つくったけど4次するきない

2008 8/14 9:08 PM
海賊始めましたさん
 40 

4次までが大変だと思っていたが、4次になっても大変だな。
振りたいスキルがおおすぎてなっ!

2008 8/16 2:49 AM
背徳の炎
 41 

4次してぇー

だがまだ三次になったばかり・・・
さきは長い・・・

2008 8/16 7:38 PM
 42 

3次スキルのガブアイオータを途中で振りと止めると
4次スキルのエアストライクの与えるダメージに影響は出るのでしょうか?

2008 8/17 6:25 PM
サバイバー
 43 

皆さんのそういう情報はどこからはいってくるんですか?情報収集力強すぎますよ

2008 8/17 9:16 PM
りんご
 44 

エアストライクに影響はありませんだから4次を思うなら15でとめましょうね

2008 8/18 9:32 AM
背徳の炎
 45 

↑↑しかも名前パクってるし

2008 8/19 7:15 PM
まーまーそーそー
 46 

銃弱いって言ってる人たまに居ますけど、そういうのは4次の銃を見てから言って欲しいですよね

2008 9/22 5:46 PM
余裕
 47 

SEないか・・・・・・で??w
それがどうした?w
ジャンプうちもできない糞弓はだまってろ
鬼強化があったら銃わ最強

2008 9/26 5:52 PM
wwwwwwwwwwww
 48 

47吹いた ジャンプ撃ちの出来る銃は最強か?ww

出来ない弓は弱いのかwwww

2008 9/26 9:17 PM
思った
 49 

弓と銃どっちがつよいかって・・・・
その答えわ・・・・・強化が強いほうbbbwwwwww
皆どっちが強いかどうこう言ってる前に
自分の強化品を見直したらおkw

2008 9/27 7:36 AM
思った
 50 

あのさ銃と弓比べて分かったんだけどさ
初心者のほうが強いよね?w

2008 9/27 7:41 AM
Lers
 51 

桜鯖の凍り魔です
多分一番最強のアークメイジわ俺かと・・・・
かかってこいw

2008 9/27 7:44 AM
楓の銃使い
 52 

もうすぐ4次になるんですがスキル何に振ったらいいか迷ってます。
4次の人いわく狩場によるって・・・

2008 9/28 1:47 PM
海賊?いいえ魔王です。
 53 

銃の謎点
①クリティカル無し
②ラビットファイアがあるのにソウルアロー的なスキル無し
③シャープアイズ的なスキル無し
④3次までいいスキル無し
弓はジャンプ撃ちできますしw

2008 9/28 4:52 PM
↑にたいして
 54 

ソウルアローソウルアローってうるさくないですかね?w
弾わ拡張欄さらに3強化できますし
いまとなったらもう補充しにもどらなくてもその場で補充できますよー^^pアイテムで
それにSE的なすきるないってとこ吹きましたw
サポタコ攻撃素早さ アドホ攻撃 アプトレ熟練度
あるじゃないですかwwwww
やっぱり何もかんがえずに批判するガキわ多いですね
それに今弓と銃くらべてもらってもねー^^;
まだ90弾と110弾でてないですしね^^;;
3次までいいスキルってC2でわインビジブルショット大活躍ですよー^^
ほんとにやったことあるのかな?ww
あなたの謎点
①ほんとにやったことがあるのかどうか
②スキルを見てからここに投稿したのか
③①と③わ一緒な問のような感じがするのわ気のせいか
一番きついのが3次だってことを知らないのわ
ちょっと痛いですね
今かなり腹いたいです

2008 10/2 10:28 AM
雑魚斬り賊
 55 

じゃあさらに上にたいして言ってみた
弾は消費拡張すりゃいいっていうけどさ
課金しない奴はどーなるんだw
課金とないやつはするなってことか??

アドホ攻撃アップっていっても使えるのはボス戦のみ
アプトレとサポタコはツヨス!

おれ銃やってけどさ
c-2で一度も狩ってなかった
そんなうまいのか???
ずっとc-1で狩ってたわ
三次から狩ると5分5%くらいの効率にもどるぜ

確かに三次からレベルあげだるくなったわ
80からずっと吸ってたけどね^^
おかげで1gなくなったぜ;;

まぁあれだ
ラピッドよりバトルシップのキャノンだっけ?
そっちのほうが強い

マイコンは面白い!

2008 10/2 10:42 PM
↑にたいして
 56 

なにいってんだ?w
課金しない奴の話なんかしてねーぞ?w
課金したら最強ってことだわかったか?w
するなってことか?とかきくけど
別にしない奴のことまでゆってるわけじゃないから
してるやつのことゆってんだw
そんなしないやつまで気がまわらん
しかも吸ってたとかそんなどーでもいいことかくなw

2008 10/2 11:12 PM
wo鈴歌ow
 57 

>55 ってほんとに雑魚斬り賊sですか??
    いつもはそんなこと言わないような・・・

2008 10/2 11:21 PM
雑魚斬り賊にたいして
 58 

課金とないやつわするなってどうゆうことw?
   ↑ここ強調wwwwwwwww

2008 10/3 12:17 AM
ベッチ
 59 

↑↑↑の方はかなり信用できる人の名前を騙ったものじゃないですか?

というか課金とかの話や弓等との比較は別のところでしてください。自分が強いと思う職業を強いというのは勝手ですが他の職業をけなす事だけはやめてください。

話を戻しますが雑魚斬り賊sはツヨスだとか^^だとか
あまり使った事見たことないんですが・・・
真似したのなら余りにも・・・
・・・もし違ったら雑魚斬り賊sって・・・
そういうことはないと思いますが・・・

2008 10/3 3:06 AM
あのー
 60 

ここだけじゃなくて
もっと他のところにもけなしてるとこありますよー^^
ここでそれいうんだったら全スレ書き込んでください^^

2008 10/3 8:10 AM
ていうか
 61 

今となっては補充できますって課金しなきゃ無理じゃんwwなにバカみたいに熱くなってんだかwwwどっちがガキだかわかったもんじゃないなホントwwはいはい弓と比べられたら悔しいよねwww

2008 10/20 9:09 PM
ふ~ん
 62 

・・・と雑魚弓様が仰られております。

↓↓以下雑魚弓様の必死な反論

2008 10/21 8:00 AM
あんなことやこんなこと・・・
 63 

がんもなぐりもつよいお
がんわなんたかほーみんぐでくりてかるなくてもじゅうぶんつおい
なぐりもすーぱーとらんすふぉーむからのいろんなすきるとかたいむりーふとかうぃんどぶーすたーとかつおい じぶんてきにどらごんすとらいくがいいとおもう 意味不明な長文すまんね;漢字とかにすんのめんどくてw

2008 10/21 12:01 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 64 

55はおそらく俺本人
ときどき性格変わるから注意な
あと61は俺じゃないからさ!

課金とないやつについてだが気づいてけどなんかめんどくさくなった
まぁこう書くとなんか言われそうだけど(

まぁあれだ
海賊の話しようぜ!

キャプテン強くないか?
バトルキャノンだっけ?あれ強すぎる
平均10k*4でなおかつTTと同じ速度?
銃よわくねぇっていわれてるけど実はけっこう強かったり!

2008 10/21 1:03 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 65 

はい 俺 脱字おつ

2008 10/21 1:13 PM
ホルフォース
 66 

私はエアストライク取得が楽しみで、現在卵ソロ狩り頑張ってます。現在114レベ…

ラピットでも、キャノンでも無く、何故エアストライクかって?そりゃ…
5秒置きに、たったMP60消費だけでプチジェネシス発動出来るんだよ。メインキャラがビショップ(レベ153)の私にとって、これがどれ程のインパクトであったか…

それぞれのキャラに、それぞれの特性があるんだし、活かすも殺すもあなた次第では…

そもそも、端的な強さの討論なんて、このゲームでは計れないよ。

2008 10/21 9:31 PM
楓の銃使い
 67 

バトルシップキャノンはいいですよ
まだ23ですが骨3確でもう少しで
2確出来そうです
ビシャも押せるようになりしたし
ちなみに船も骨で40分くらい持つようになりました

2008 10/22 1:43 PM
は?
 68 

ガン最強とかwわらかすなw

2008 10/28 8:54 AM
は?
 69 

強化とかいってるけどw鬼強化の銃とw鬼強化の弓じゃ弓のが完全上w銃はクソwまじくそw火力なに?w連射とか暴風のが上w銃いらねwまぁ愉しむだけならwまだしもw投げいるからwいいやwTTのが上だしwジャンプ打ちなんてどうでもいいw機動性は投げっしょw

2008 10/28 8:57 AM
言ノ葉
 70 

なんでもいいが
おまえらコメ欄でガキみたいな喧嘩すんなよ

このコメ欄のせいで初めてこのページを見た初心者はどう思う?

どうみても銃のイメージ下げてるぞこれ
もうちょい冷静な立場で物を見ろよ

2008 10/31 7:38 AM
猛き魂の叫び
 71 

どっちが強いか何て、雑談用の板があるんだからそちらに書いて下さい。

2008 10/31 1:33 PM
卍って何?
 72 

>68,69
一応
弓は補助スキルはSEだけだけど
銃は確かに火力は弱いかもしれないがアドホとサポトタコとエアストライクとカブアイオータを召還(使い)つつ戦うので総合的には大体同じではないのでしょうか?まあスキルそろうまでは弓の方が強いでしょうけど。
暴風とラピファなら多分暴風の方が強いかもしれません。
1年後には攻撃速度の遅かった職がウインドブースターで強くなってきますので。(クロスボウ等)
まあウインドブースターで暴風の速度上がったら最強ですがorz

2008 10/31 4:28 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 73 

>>74
残念だがラピファよりバトルキャノンのほうが火力もダメージも大きい
クリティアリ、SEありで暴風10kでるのに対して、キャノンはクリティ、SEなしで10k出ます。
速度のTT並
おそらく、めいぽで動かないで連発することができれば、一番多くダメージ与えれるのは銃です

2008 10/31 7:06 PM
卍って何?
 74 

なるほど~
その分1~3次がきついですが。

2008 11/1 7:27 AM
XXshotXX
 75 

ものすごいラピットにあこがれてた俺ドンマイww
でもどうしても動画や個人的に船関連よりラピットやエアストライク・タコに振りたくなってしまう俺w
(だがそんなことより今の85と言うレベを何とかせねばorz)

2008 11/3 12:27 AM
キルヒアイズ
 76 

もうすぐ4次転できそうなので・・・。
キャプテンのスキル振りのお勧めとその理由を教えてもらえませんか?次の2パターンお願いします。
できれば多くの方の意見聞きたいです

①狩りの効率を優先したパターン
②ボス戦を想定したパターン

2008 11/27 11:38 AM
ビバ キャプテン
 77 

キャプテンは船を壊されると何もできなくなるためジャクム等の大型ボスにはまったく向いていませんw
ビシャスは150あたりでなんとかソロいけます
姉御、武者との相性は抜群です
また狩り効率もまったくよくありません マゾいです

基本的によく言われるBSキャノンあげが一番よいとおもわれます
スキルレベがあがるほど連射数が増えるためがんばってあげてみましょう

2008 12/3 5:07 PM
海賊初心者
 78 

ここを見て思ったのですが
自分がやりたいと思ってやってる職なので
強いとか弱いとかどうでもいいかと;
海賊を批判するなら150くらいまで育ててからどこがどうだめなのか教えてもらえると
いいとおもいます^^

ぼくは狩場で4次の銃を見てひとめぼれしてw
あの船のってるのがたまりません!
火力もみるかぎり投げのTTと比べてもはるかに高かったような気がしますw
機動力は投げのほうがはるかにいいですがw
ダメにばらつきもなく安定感のある職が好きな方はぜひやってみたほうがいいとおもいます^^

2008 12/4 4:54 PM
海に沈んだタコ
 79 

ぅーむ 楽しそうだなぁ 今月には70にしたいww

2008 12/4 5:17 PM
夕日の影
 80 

78sに同感ですw 楽しければいいのではないでしょうか

2008 12/10 4:32 PM
匿名
 81 

投げよりはるかに高いとかないけどね
それはその人の装備があれなんじゃない?
それか君の投げの基準が低いからだと思うがね
まぁ銃とか所詮弓とか投げには勝てないよ

楽しみたいなら別に問題ないけどね?
火力は…って話だから

2008 12/10 4:40 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 82 

>>82
銃が投げに勝てないって言うのは聞き捨てならないな

Lv150
投擲攻撃80(ユニコ55に30%*5)
手裏剣 日(攻撃27)
手袋攻撃15
Jタコ(+20)

ステータス
str 4
dex 50+100
int 4
luk 772+30

TT30 シャドパ30 敵:デンデン
最大8009
最低4004
平均6006
クリティ
最高13348
最低6678
平均10011
クリティの期待値は0.5*0.5=0.25=25%
3発に25%ずつ+すると
およそ7008*3
これにシャドパ
3504*3
21024+10512
=31536
これがTT一発の期待できるダメージ

次に銃
攻撃105(コンチェルト80+30%*5)
弾バイタルブレッド(+16)
手袋+15
Jタコ+20

ステータス
str 50+50
dex 722+30
int 4
luk4

バトルシップキャノン30 アドホなしで計算
最高16641
最低9259
平均12950
12950*4
=51800
↑がバトキャの一発のダメージ期待値

銃がバトルシップが壊れた話もしておこうか
ラピッド30での場合 アドホなし
8回/秒として計算
最高7007
最低3898
平均5453
5453*8=43624
1秒でのラピッドの期待ダメージ
TT,バトキャは96回/分らしいので
96÷60=1.6
1.6は1秒で撃てる数のこと
TT
31536*1.6≒50457
バトルシップキャノン
51800*1.6≒82880
バトルシップの再使用時間は90秒(壊れた瞬間から)
90秒間ラピッドファイアVSTT
明らかにTTのほうが強い
ダメージ差は6833
6833*90=614970
のダメージ差となる
そしてバトキャで巻き返し
3秒に3kのダメージをくらったとしたら
1*4000*30*2000=64000(バトキャの耐久度)
64000/3000≒21
3*22で63秒
バトキャVSTT
ダメージ差は32423
これに63をかけると2042649
2042649-614970=1427679
ということで
ラピッド+バトキャ>TT

もちろんこれにはアドホは含まれてないし、攻撃を受けた時の隙も含まれてない。
でも両方同じ条件なので結果的に銃方が効率よく与えられる
ただしこれはソロに限る

PTの場合シャープアイズが入ってきて計算が面倒になるからやらない

結果から見れば同じ強化なら火力自体は投げには負けてない
火力からみれば
銃>投げ
機動性から見れば
投げ>銃
楽しさからみれば
銃=投げ

みんな好きな職をやるのが一番いいのさ

2008 12/11 7:06 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 83 

↑表記ミスがありました。
投げのステータス
luk 722+30
これが正しいです
実際の計算は722+30で計算されているので計算みすはないです。

2008 12/11 7:12 PM
ガンスリ系強い!!
 84 

銃雑魚っていってるやつふざんけんじゃねえよ じゃあ銃雑魚って言ってるやつはガンで200レベいったんか?10レベで転職して200までいったんか?それからいってほしいね!ジャンプ撃ちできるできないでそれがどおした?ソウルアローっぽいのがないからどおした?

2008 12/11 9:21 PM
迷うねー
 85 

銃でソウルアローっぽいのがあったら………….ビームライフルになんない?

2008 12/11 9:27 PM
ジョンソン&ジャンソン
 86 

銃おもしろそうだなwいろいろ言われてるみたいだけど。
拳の4次持ってるけどなんかなぁって感じ。
将来性はあるけど。
銃の方が4次したとき喜べそう。
あとボス戦で役立つスキルもいいよね。アドホだっけ?
あwなんか銃作りたくなってきた。

2008 12/12 7:28 PM
 87 

>>87
アドホは自分だけしか効果発動しないので、PTではほとんど役に立ちません。
しかし、どの職よりもダメージは与えられる職だと思います。
サポートオクトパス+ガブアイオータ+アドホ+バトルシップキャノン
このコンボは結構ダメージ行きます。
アドホはバトキャのみですがね

唯一短所は最近のボスにいけないことですね
ベルガモットはHBありでも即死なのでいけないです

2008 12/12 7:47 PM
るる
 88 

BGタコ禁止で泣きました。
従来の職とどっちが強いかって前に、相手がLv170とか180とか多すぎるんで、山争いはまだ無理っすね・・・

同レベまで行っても、Seかかると勝てないと思いますが。

ベルガ大変ですよねー;
船降りてしゃがむのは辛いものがある…

でも攻撃22の新弾のためめげません。材料が115武器並に難しくて泣いた。

2008 12/13 7:50 AM
キルヒアイズ
 89 

やっぱり銃は必死にHP振り替えするしかない運命なんですね

2008 12/13 12:35 PM
結局のところ
 90 

海賊=つよい

2008 12/15 10:03 PM
夕日
 91 

弾は別として強いですw

2009 1/11 5:12 PM
 92 

銃は確かに補充めんどうくさいけど4次で広範囲スキルも連射スキルもあるよねwwでも弓はソウルアローとSEあるかわりに4次で広範囲スキルが無い・・・・

2009 1/11 5:32 PM
4次は何でも強いクン
 93 

なんかトウキョウエリアで作れるジャッジメントとアーマーピアシングブレッドに惚れてしまいました。あれって強化できるんですか?
できたら銃は4次の中でも上のほうの強さになると思います^^
エアストライクのダメパーセントはほかにないですよね?1000パーセント以上は・・・
皆さんは4次のなかでもでもあれが強いこれが強いって言ってますけど4次は全部強いと思いますよ。スキルブックと装備品で少し左右されますけどね。
初めてなのに長文失礼しました

2009 1/12 1:06 PM
キルヒアイズ
 94 

ソウルアローが無ければ弾いっぱい持てば良いじゃん!って思った自分は課金して消費欄を3倍に拡張してしまいました。

6時間くらい平気で弾補充せず狩れるようになった代わりにサイフの中身に尊大なダメージがw

2009 1/16 3:36 AM
ははははは
 95 

自分メインは戦士なのですが、サブに遠距離職をやってみたいなぁと思うんですが、(銃)(弓)(投げ)どれにしようか迷ってます!!どれがいいですかね?本当迷ってるんですが@@誰か教えてください><;

2009 1/30 3:52 PM
ははははは
 96 

おすすめなどありましたらョロしくですう

2009 1/30 3:53 PM
卍よし海賊卍
 97 

結果的にガンと弓と投げのことしか考えてないと思うんですけど・・・・・・。ガンスリンガーとインファイター・どっちが強いんですか?教えてください。

2009 1/31 3:38 PM
 98 

弓の方が強いですね ボス戦なら 理由はパペットがあるからです 弓には囮がありますが 銃にはありません ソロ狩りは弓ですが PTなら  銃です。 強い弱い    とかならテクニックでかわりますし 銃と弓が組めば  かなり強いでしょうね  でも全体で見れば やはり  銃でしょう たこ もかなり強いので あと金がかかる のは銃ですね                    PSPで投票してるので読みづらいかもしれませんが そこのところお願いします。

2009 1/31 10:37 PM
 99 

97           インファイターとガンスリンガー どちらが強いか?  という質問だが      拳は2次3次は強いが    4次になると銃の方が強い 銃はそこまで行くまで地獄 らしい どちらが強いと  言うと 最終的に銃ですね

2009 1/31 11:35 PM
匿名
 100 

姉御ソロなら160投げより145銃のほうがよっぽど強いからね。投げはSEないと何もできないよ。

2009 2/1 3:13 AM
銃と弓の比較
 101 

弓使い 投げ 銃 この中で弱いのは、投げですよねさて問題は 銃と弓使いどちらが強いか
フェニックスとタコどちらが強いかと言うと
タコ 
暴風の矢とラピッド 攻撃的にラピッドで
攻撃速度はほぼ同じ 暴風とラピッドは
ラピッドの方が上 がSEをつければ
暴風の方が攻撃力が高くなる
これを考えればほぼ同じくらいになる
BOSS戦なら 多分弓だろう
単体戦 なら銃ですね
LVUPしやすいのは銃
金欠しやすいのはこれも銃

でも強い弱いは上に書いてあるように
テクニックですね
これはほぼ同じですね
誤字脱字ありましたらお願いします

2009 2/2 12:18 AM
船乗り
 102 

4次の銃のスキル振りについておしえてください。

4次してラピットファイアをあげるか、船の全体系を先あげるかどちらが早くLvあがりますか?

わかる方よろしくお願いします

2009 2/6 11:53 PM
おんぼろ船
 103 

>>102

ラピットよりバトキャの方がはるかに強いのでバトキャ優先がいいです。
バトキャとバトミサ?(バトルシップミサイル)ですが、3体以上ならバトミサの方が強くなります。

どこで狩るかでスキル振り変わってきますね。

☆ボス狩りの場合(姉御、武者、金ハゲetc)☆
バトルシップ 1
バトルシップキャノン 30
アドバンスドホーミング 20
メイプルヒーロー 20

140Lvくらいにはソロビシャスでき、姉御ソロは30分切るので、うまうまになりますね・・・(姉御は横めんどいけど

☆骨や峰でコツコツ狩る場合☆
バトルシップ 1
バトルシップミサイルorキャノン 30
エアストライク 30
ミサイル先上げの場合は複数巻き込まないと効率出ないので、クーリングなどを使いうまく狩りましょう。

ちなみに私は前者の上げ方をしました。
jkmは攻撃受ける直前に船下りて船壊さなければいいだけです。けっこういけますよ^^
長文失礼しました^^;

2009 2/10 2:08 AM
かくかくしま
 104 

わたしは今日30れべなったんすけど全然上がらないんすよね~誰か手伝ってください明日来ているかもしらないからともろくよろしくね    \(゜ロ\)(/ロ゜)/

2009 2/18 7:10 PM
ミケル
 105 

バトルシップやってみたい

2009 3/4 7:44 PM
味の素
 106 

今拳してるんですけど急に銃使いたくなってきました。   で?って感じですけど・・・

2009 3/11 10:18 PM
味噌汁
 107 

銃ってかっこいいですね。

強そうだし・・・
銃つかおっかな

2009 3/12 9:16 PM
海賊(20LV)
 108 

やばい~強すぎ
銃にしよ!

2009 3/14 10:17 PM
にゃんこDX
 109 

うーん悩むね4次の振りw

バトルシップ1
キャノン30
バトルシップ10
メイプルヒーロー20
エアストライク30

とりまこれで火力いいんじゃない?

2009 3/19 6:55 PM
あんぱん
 110 

問題は本を手に入れられるかどうかですね・・・

2009 3/19 9:43 PM
らーめんのたれ
 111 

バトルシップは絶対ふるのは1だけだよwww
それにエアストライク20はまだでてないし・・・ 

2009 3/19 10:27 PM
英嗣様
 112 

ども^^海賊ですww
このサイトとても役に立ちますww
これからも見てきますw
P.S 
海賊ですwwガンスリですww
会えたら会いましょうついでに名前は英嗣様ですw
ほとんどの日にインするので、内緒で検索yrですw

2009 3/25 12:34 AM
銃つえっ
 113 

つえー!><;あぁーヤバイおれも4次になりてー

2009 3/29 8:45 PM
すぱいらる
 114 

弓 MB金かかる 投げ シュリ&強化に金かかる 銃 弾やすいしMBも安い

2009 3/30 7:24 AM
 115 

最速でレベルあげるなら、ミサイル先あげです。
プレイヤースキルが求められますが、クーリングなど、うまく使ってミサイルで処理すれば、自給は骨だと14m以上を超えます。
最初のほうはミサイル弱いですけど、キャノンで一体づつ処理するよりはミサイルのほうが上だと思います。
卵では中段、上段はキャノンで処理が多いですけど、基本は右下固定でミサイルが多いです。
骨は、クーリングなどをうまく使って、接触などされないように処理します。
接触しそうになったら、すぐに船を下りるクセなどをつけたほうがいいですかね。
船下りたあとの硬直やラグなどは困りますけどね;;

ミサイルMAX時
骨は自給15m↑
卵(右下固定)自給14mぐらい
峰は12mぐらいですね。

長々とすみません;;

2009 5/12 7:21 PM
ウィア・ホコマン
 116 

うわぁ~~~、人気あるねぇw もちろん銃っしょw  弱くないよねw

2009 5/29 10:39 PM
匿名
 117 

強い弱いで職を決めるのはどうかと思うが。

2009 5/29 11:29 PM
リトル・チキン
 118 

海賊強すぎw今やってるけどまだLV17ですはやく2次転職なりたいです

2009 6/26 4:31 PM
あのさぁ…
 119 

今ずっと見てきたけどなんなの?
せっかく海賊にしようと思ったのになにこれ?
ここは海賊育成ガイドなんだろ?海賊の先輩、後輩方にもいい所見せてくださいよ。
低レベルすぎますよ。酷い。弓のほうが強いとかここでいう事か?

2009 7/23 11:27 PM
匿名
 120 

>>119
メイポのプレイ層を考えたら治安なんてものを期待するだけ無駄

そもそもそんな意見に振り回されてるあんたも同レベルだぞ?

2009 7/24 10:24 AM
どうでもいいが
 121 

海賊の話をしろw
 
なんで弓使いやら投げやらがきて反論してんだ?w

もっと海賊の楽しさとかで盛り上がれよw

言い争いで盛り上がるなってw

盛り上がる所が違うだろw脱線すんなw

喧嘩したいだけか?
 
他でやれ
 
この米にも一々反応しなくていいから…海賊楽しもうぜ♪

2009 8/5 7:22 PM
卍メイプル卍
 122 

銃3次前がきついww

2009 8/7 7:04 PM
投げ
 123 

質問なんですがバトルシップキャノンと投げのTTってどっちが強いのでしょうか。

2009 8/22 11:49 AM
へたれキャプテン
 124 

自分で確認したわけではなく友達に聞いた話ですが。。。

同レベキャノンMAX,TTMAX の場合

SE、WB無し
キャノン>TT

SEあり
キャノン<TT

WBあり
キャノン>TT

という話でした。

アドバンスホーミング+SEのキャノンとSEありのTTだとどうなるかは知りませんが。。。

多分TTだとおもいます

まちがってたらごめんなさいpq

2009 8/26 4:08 PM
130代の海賊
 125 

124の海賊なんですがスキル振り、装備補正
(STR120でDEXあげ、装備補正でトパーズを使いHPあげるつもり、PでDEXあげようかと・・・)=理由ボスソロ行きたいので!!

普段は卵をPT狩りしたりタコで狩りしてますw
意見を是非お願いしますw

2009 8/31 9:51 PM
 126 

攻撃により依存するのは投げだから、祝福とかでたいま、投げが強いんじゃないかな?

2009 9/1 1:20 PM
だからどうしたっていうかもしれないけどpwq
 127 

一分間の火力(キャノン95回 TT96回 ラピッド・暴風500回で計算)

バトルシップキャノン
380*4*95=144400%

ラピッドファイア
170*500=85000%

バトルシップキャノンAH(アドバンスホーミング)
380*4*1,2*95=173280

ラピッドファイアAH
170*1,2*500=102000

シャドパTT(クリティカル発動率50%で計算)
150*3*1,5*96*0.5+(150+100)*3*1,5*96*0.5=86400%

SE暴風(クリティカル55%で計算)
(100+100+140)*500*0,55+100*500*0,45=116000%

SETT(クリティカル65%で計算)
(150+100+140)*3*1,5*96*0,65+150*3*1,5*0,35=132192%

同じような強化の場合、投げはSEを貰っても一分間に40000%近い差があります。
基本攻撃力の差があっても、これほど差があれば同程度の強化の投げでは銃の方が強い計算になると思われます。

もっとも船にずっと乗っていれたらの話ですがw

あと被ダメが大きくなればなるほど船で攻撃する時間が短くなるので、やはり強敵にはNLの方が火力になりやすいようです。
BG戦(B以降)では銃に勝てる職は少ないでしょうね。

2009 9/10 4:46 AM
上池
 128 

だいぶうえのコメントみておもったのですが
僕は別に職で比べるのはどうかと
職っていうのはスタイルで
そのスタイルで戦えばいいだけかと
それに、キャラクターによって不利が生じるのは周りと協力することも必要という意味では?
いずれにせよ、メイプル愛好家なら、自分のニーズでやっていけばいいのだと

2009 10/22 11:20 PM
tasika
 129 

いま海賊115レベなんですけどいつも50%でドドと遊んで死ぬんです;;

2009 11/2 1:06 PM
 130 

>>128
ラピッドファイア中にたこを出したらどーなるんでしょうかね?

2009 11/3 5:22 AM
たんすさま
 131 

RFを中断してたこを召喚。召喚後RF再開。

2009 11/4 7:35 AM
強いのは投げと拳だろ
 132 

投げは183で魔獣に55kとかでる人いるんですよw拳も121でSE10あれば普通に60kとか出ますしwまあ銃はつよいですけど拳や投げに勝てるわけがない

2009 11/14 10:56 PM
 133 

>>強いのは投げと拳だろ さん
あっちこっち書き込んでるみたいですが、中途半端な知識での批判は痛い目を見ますよ?

上記の投げさんと同等の強化をした銃さんがいた場合、その銃さんのキャノン1発はアドホありで最高49k強となります。(計算しました。詳細は長くなるので割愛させていただきます。)

投げさんはクリティカルが出ない場合ダメージが激減するので、最高55kの投げさんの1回のTTでの平均ダメージは145k前後です。(シャドパあり.SEあり)

一方最高49kの銃さんの場合、1回のキャノンでの平均ダメージは156k前後となります。(アドホあり.SEなし)

攻撃速度に関しては
TT.96/min
キャノン.95/min
とTTがわずかに早いくらいです。大きくは変わりません。

さらに言うなら銃にはオクトパスという召喚スキルもあります。40秒間、10k~15k近くのダメージを3秒に2回与える、つまり1度の召喚で325k程度のダメージが期待できます。合間に放てはさらに火力アップにつながるのは間違いないです。

上記の理由からダメージを受けることがほぼ無いボスの場合は十分投げさんにも勝てますよ?
船を壊されれば一気に火力低下しますがねw

さらに指摘させてもらいますが、、拳さんで60kとはラピッドのことですかね?121でドラストしてもそこまではでないはずですしSEの話があるのでラピットだと受け取ります。
ラピッドのラストにSE10がついて60kでしたら、ラピッド1回での平均ダメージはSE30がついても146k程度です。さらにラピッドの攻撃速度は30/minです。

スキルLv1でも1分間に90回以上、615%の攻撃ができる銃さんに単体攻撃で勝てますかね?
おまけに言うなら拳さんはボスではクリティカルが発生しませんよ?

すごく長くなってしまいましたが、正直むかついたので書き込ませてもらいました。
最後に、僕は上記の理由で銃が最強なんて言う気はありません。投げには投げの、拳には拳のいいところがあることくらい承知してます。全職経験ありますので。
その上で銃のいいところも知ってほしかっただけです。
長文.駄文失礼しました。

2009 11/15 3:23 AM
強いのは投げと拳だろ
 134 

いやいや俺も銃をちゃんと4次させて俺の考えを言っただけですがwそれをむかつくって言うなんておかしいですねw投げが銃に火力負けてるってのはないと思いますがwそれに俺が書いてる投げは何レベか分かっていってるんですか?wバトルシッップが破壊されないとはかぎらなですよ?それに拳のは誰もボス戦の話をしてませんよwよく文を理解して書き込んでねw 俺だってこんな文を書いてますが投げが完璧銃に勝てるなんて思ってませんよ 投げも銃もどちらも駄目なところとよいところがあると思いますw長くなりましたが読んでくださってありがとうございます 長文失礼しましたw

2009 11/15 9:30 AM
a
 135 

金かければ金かけるほど強いんじゃない?
投げだってシュリによるし
装備変えればだいぶかわるし

2009 11/15 9:38 AM
強いのは投げと拳だろ
 136 

aさんの言う通りですねw

2009 11/15 10:15 AM
 137 

>>強いのは投げと拳だろ さん
長くなるので雑談部屋にて記載しておきます。
言い分があるのでしたらそちらでコメントしてください。

2009 11/17 5:18 PM
メイプル初心者
 138 

やっぱりよくスキル振りがわからないです;キャノンはやっぱり優先させるべきだとおもうんですがそのあとになにを振ればいいか;;

2009 11/25 1:28 PM
 139 

自分的な意見としては
アドホ.ミサイル.エアスト.MH.サポオク
このあたりをどの順番で振って行くかって感じですね。
ボスを中心にするか狩りをするかで自分に合ったものを上げるのがいいと思います。

ボス(姐御やビシャスなど)を中心にするようでしたらアドホがおすすめです。
ラピッドは正直おすすめしません。1ではトリプルファイアの方が火力上ですし弾の消費も少なめです。ラピッドに30振るならアドホに振ってトリプルファイアをした方がいいと思います。
アドホありトリプル<アドホ無しラピッド
にはなりますが、キャノンの火力もアップするので結果こちらの方が火力が高くなると思います。
(常時船を破壊されるジャクムなんかはラピッドの方が効率いいかもしれませんが^^;本体相手に経験値効率求めては行かないと思うのでそこはアドホ+トリプルでいいと思います。)

狩り中心でしたらエアストがおすすめです。船から降りてても使えますし、残龍みたいなマップなら6体巻き込みやすいですからね。下段をCE+キャノンで掃除しながらエアストを使うことでかなり狩りやすくなるかと思います。(船を降りるのが面倒ですけどw)
ただし、MBのエアスト20を持ってないようでしたら上げないほうがいいかと思います。SLv10だと威力がそこまで無いのでディレイを考えると使わなくなる可能性が高いです。

狩りの場合はミサイルもかなり強いですよ。キャノンの後に振る用でしたら船もかなりタフになってると思いますしw骨なんかだと反撃2回受ける間に6匹くらいの敵は殲滅しちゃいますからw欠点を上げるなら船を降りてる間が地獄ですけど^^;

ボス.狩りにバランスが取れてるのがMH.サポオクですねw

MHは言うまでも無く火力が上がるので総合的に強くなります。ソロならアドホに負けない力を発揮しますが、MBの入手難易度とグル狩りだと他の人から掛けてもらえちゃうので・・・振るタイミングが難しいスキルではありますね・・・

サポオクは密かに強力なスキルです。SLv1でも1度の召喚で約300kのダメージが期待できます。(消えるまで攻撃を続けた場合の合計ダメージです)
SLv20になると約2.5倍に火力アップ、つまり1度の召喚で約750kのダメージが期待できるスキルです。船から降りてる間も使えますので上げて損は無いと思いますよ。少なくても序盤で1振りは必須です。(攻撃速度が倍になる+持続時間が35秒になるので)

ついでに上げるならバトルシップをあげるのもありですね。1振ることで船の耐久力が4000HP増えます。一時期は再使用時間が増えたので振らないほうがよかったですけど、今は利点しかないので振っちゃうのもありかもしれませんねw

こんな感じで各スキル一長一短あります。わからなければ各スキル1だけ振って使いやすいのを上げていくのもいいと思いますよ^^

最後に、アットレビュートアップとサポオクは先行1振りをおすすめします。アットレビュートはCEの凍結時間が1秒増えますし、サポオクは先に上げた通り攻撃速度が倍になりますので。

長文失礼しました。

2009 11/25 2:15 PM
メイプル初心者
 140 

ありがとうございました。いろいろ詳しいですねwミサイルかアドホに振りたいとおもいますw

2009 11/25 2:28 PM
海賊君EX
 141 

だれかいますか?

2009 11/28 11:23 AM
海賊君EX
 142 

(●´・ω・)ノ☆☆☆HELLO☆☆☆☆ヽ(・ω・`○)
海賊君EXです
2次転何がいいと思いますか?
教えてください

2009 11/28 11:26 AM
海賊君EX
 143 

だれか~~~
いませんか

2009 11/28 11:30 AM
アヌウヴン
 144 

個人的にはAHよりもラピッドをお勧めしますね。
確かにレベル1ではトリプルに劣りますが、5以降は火力が上がります。
弾丸の消費も1分撃ちっぱなしで500。
90秒撃ちっぱなしでも750発程度。
ちなみに90秒間キャノン撃ちっぱなしで570発消費です。
その差180発です。こう見るとあまり変わらないでしょう?

ラピッドは最初は火力不足に思いますが、MAXになればトリプルファイアの1000程度ダメージが落ちたくらいまでは上昇します。

さらに経験値主体で行くボスは姉御や武者くらいなもので、ルートとれてもサク有りせいぜい6mほど。
しかも時間湧きなので毎日狩れる保証は無いわけです。(もっと言えばミスれば経験値が減る可能性もある。)
僕の狩りではサポートオクトパスはではまず使いません。
キャノンの威力が高いので召喚してる暇があったら殴ってますし、離れれば攻撃をやめてしまうデメリットもあります。

私的見解としては、狩り効率を上げる土台を作るため

キャノン、ミサイル、バトルシップorラピッド、他補助スキル。
という振り方がお勧めです。
150まではボス行くより狩りのが経験値がはるかに美味しいです。
BGは別ですが。150未満で連れてってもらうには少々コネが要るでしょう。

エアストライクはあまり使わないのでわかりません。。。
が、1でも120代ではかなり使っていたと思います。

2009 11/28 2:02 PM
ザコい俺w
 145 

誰か自己流でもいいので

キャプテンのスキルの振り順番

作ってください~~
俺はどれ上げようか迷いに迷ってて・・

2009 12/16 3:04 AM
あっはっは
 146 

銃つぇ

2010 1/9 9:29 AM
匿名
 147 

友の銃を見てる限りでは主要スキルが使えてくるのは140過ぎくらいになってくるのでタコとレビュートアップを1降ったらあとはキャノンを4発撃てるまであげたほうがlvあげすることは楽だと思います

ptが多ければmhはあとでもおkだと思いますよ
キャノン主体狩りになると思うのでアドホはボス行く人のみ
ミサイルは骨か神殿でしか使いませんがptでは骨より卵が断然多いと思いますからあとでもやっていけると思います
神殿でも忘却等はhp降ってないと耐えられないのでやはり卵が狩りの中心になると思います

卵でも135くらいまではばりばりうまいのでキャノンをあげおわったらmh・ラピッドなどを振ることをおすすめします

2010 1/9 10:35 AM
maikeru
 148 

キャプテンのこといろいろわかりやした。いろんな情報ありです。またこれからももっと情報なんかを・・・。ちなみに僕ハーミット育ててて4次のNLのすきるなんてしりたいなぁなんてこといつも思っています(*^ω^*)またこれからもいろいろな情報くださいね!

2010 1/27 6:07 PM
???
 149 

キャノンよりミサイルだよね~~
攻撃力やばいね~~

2010 1/28 12:20 AM
たんすさま
 150 

seはあっても同じレベルならほぼ100%山負けないかな?

大体キャノン20kと暴風17kが同じくらいでTTはseありで26k程度無しなら20kくらいで同じかなと体感では思います・・・

暴風はあってると思うがTTが今いちだ

三人142船138BM143NLで姐御してTT20kでキャノン19kで余裕で勝てたからな・・・

誰がTTとキャノンの比較してくだし

2010 1/28 7:47 AM
匿名
 151 

攻撃速度(ブースター無し/有り)

トリプルファイア
74 / 86 [ 回/min ]

ファイアバーナー
57 / 57 [ 回/min ]

クーリングエフェクト
57 / 57 [ 回/min ]

ファイアバーナー + クーリングエフェクト
50 / 58 [ 回/min ]

ラピッドファイア
500 / 500 [ 回/min ]

バトルシップキャノン
80 / 95 [ 回/min ]

バトルシップミサイル
66 / 77 [ 回/min ]

2010 2/5 11:31 AM
雑魚斬り賊
 152 

↑バトルシップキャノンは1分間に99999発撃てる

2010 2/5 4:12 PM
たんすさま
 153 

また変なの沸いたな

キャノン96じゃないのかな・・・?

今度計るわ

2010 2/5 4:47 PM
ぴぴん
 154 

4次したら最初にあげるべきスキルはなんですか?
誰か教えてください><

2010 3/11 4:23 PM
赤いせんしですけど
 155 

ガンスリンガーはそんなわざおぼえるんかあ〜/>_<)ぼくはストライカーです☆いま36です。いま37Mあります。ためるのがんばりました。みなさんはしょくぎょうなんですか?なんレベですか?

2010 3/23 10:26 PM
pp
 156 

154さんへ
とりあえずバトルシップ1サポオク1アットなんとか1ふってからキャノンMAXがいいと思いますよ

2010 3/26 4:43 AM
 157 

銃177でキャノン40k近く出るんですね・・・すごいです。Seあれば金はげ押せると友達がいっておりました銃はほんと強いですね。私も作ろうかと迷っていますが1次2次の火力が低いためあまりやる気が出ません。。。リアともは128になったのですが私はやる気になれません・・・銃のスキル振り(四次)がわからないのですがだれか教えてください(´;ω;`)

2010 3/31 12:59 PM
 158 

178キャプテンの友達いるのですがすごいですねキャプテンは、190と180の暴風30kでるBMから√とれるんですね。私も作ろうかと思うんですが↑のううけうえkつじゅづhさんのように1次2次がかなり弱いとともから聞きましたのでやる気が出ません・・・;今144のNLですがやっぱりキャプテンのほうがいいかな?と思いますNLとキャプテンではどっちが強いのでしょうか?やっぱキャプテンですかね?

2010 3/31 1:05 PM
名無し
 159 

銃は単体火力上昇のスキルが多くボス向き
投げはザコ狩りもボスもできるオールラウンダー
だから銃と投げはくらべるだけ無駄。
それぞれのよさがあるわけだし
銃はスキルが多くて楽しそうだな

2010 3/31 6:57 PM
 160 

そうですか。ありがとうございます私も銃作ってみようと思います。海賊じゃなくてアランの質問なんですけど、アランは120でHPどれくらいあるのでしょうか?誰か教えてください><;

2010 3/31 7:03 PM
 161 

銃と拳ではどっちがボスむきなんですかね?
拳はDスト,デモリションとかあるし銃はファイア,キャノンとか強いスキルあってやっぱ両方ボス向きなんですかね?

2010 3/31 7:06 PM
 162 

昨日のパッチいいですね。斬はBS空中使用可能でパラはブレスト?か何かの威力UP銃はダブルファイアの威力UP,バックステップショットのディレイ減少,射程距離UPですもんね。銃やる気でました
^^

2010 4/1 4:37 PM
みけ
 163 

久々に銃やったらダブルファイア零距離で発射できるようになったことにびっくりですw

2010 4/12 12:34 AM
うひょひょい
 164 

ラピットファイヤーがかっこよくて銃はじめたのに、みんながバトルシップのほうがつよいっていうんです!!なんで?

2010 4/21 7:18 PM
匿名
 165 

バトルシップの方が強いから

2010 4/21 7:58 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 166 

ボス向きなのは多分、銃、
攻撃速度とダメージからして
考えれば正しいかと。
 
まぁ、バトルシップが壊れまくる可能性もあるからね
そこを考えると、そうでもないような気もするね
 
ただ、殴りだとトランスフォームの
再使用待機時間が120分、
バトルシップは90秒、
やはりこれから考えても
 
銃でしょ。
 
ラピッドファイアは単発が弱いし、
バトルシップ系の攻撃のほうが
優れてる。
 
弓では暴風の矢を振るよね、
あんなに攻撃速度の速い攻撃ずっとやってたら
赤字になりかねないわけ、
なのになんで、振るかっていうのは、
簡単な話、
ソウルアローという良スキルがあるから、
弓を一切使わない攻撃が出来るから、
暴風の矢使っても赤字にならないわけ
 
銃はそういうスキル無いよね?
だからっていうのもある。
 
結局バトルシップキャノンミサイルのほうが
明らかに良スキルだし、
黒字になりやすいから、
 
まとめるとこうなる。

2010 4/22 1:59 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 167 

長文に続き連投すいません
>160、素だったら
120×45=5400
 
それに転職時の増加もプラスしたら
6000くらいかな
 
ここはアランについて話合うスレじゃないので、
なるべく控えてください。
 

2010 4/22 2:04 PM
 168 

バトルシップのりてえー

2010 5/3 4:51 PM
匿名
 169 

ふと思ったんですが…銃にソウルアロー的なのがあったらビームライフルになるってあったんですけど、
弓もビームボウじゃね…?

2010 6/14 9:33 PM
ssssss
 170 

やっ
ぱ一番は初心者

2010 12/10 4:33 PM
ssssss
 171 

銃は最強すぎて困っちゃう
助けて。。。。。。。。。。。。。
やばい
まじで最強
キャプテンに勝てる職業なんてあるわけねぇ
でも初心者も強いが

2010 12/10 4:34 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 172 

なんて偏った意見なのだろう。
 
初心者が強いなんて数値を見ればNOと
答えが出ます
 
勝てる職業無い>んなわけがない
 
何を理由にここに書き込んだか知りませんが
メイプルストーリー、職業が2次になってくると
十数個くらい出てきますが、一つたりとも
弱いだのなんだの言ってどうこうなるというわけでもないですし、
かといって強いか弱いなんて育て方次第
曖昧な基準の物事を決定的に言うのは
どうかと思いますよ。

2010 12/10 10:33 PM
xw銃弾爆撃wx
 173 

いまヴァイキング87れべなんですがインジブル(2次スキル)で20kでますよw3次スキルの氷と炎でも20kぐらいはでます。強化しだいで火力はあがりますよ。今はA90のインピティーニを装備してます。だから銃は強いと思いますがね。。

2010 12/11 10:08 AM
sssss
 174 

最近の奴はまじめに考えるからおかしい
火力だとかどうでもいいだろ
人によって強いとかあるし
ダメージがたくさんくらうやつが強いとか言うやつと
「デュアる系」
ダメージが大きいのが強いとか言うやつと
わかれてるんだよーーーーーーー
火力なんて人のかってだ
俺は初心者は強いと思う
ってゆうか全部つよいけどね 四次転職は。

2010 12/11 10:59 AM
火炎龍響鬼
 175 

火力というよりか、強いの基準が人の勝手だ、っていうことですね。
確かに一理あります、
  
ただ、攻撃速度がただ速いだけでも強いというふうにはならないかと
(そういう風に捉えている方もあまり居ないと思いますよ)、
現にラピッドファイアだって
バトルシップ系のスキルには勝ててませんし
デュアルブレイドだって、育て方によっては
弱くなってしまいます
同じくダメージが大きかろうと攻撃速度が遅いならば意味は無いです(エヴァン等)
投げやデュアルが強いと言われるのは
攻撃速度も火力も高いからだと思いますよ。
 
ゲーム的にではなく、
本来強い=弱いものが成り立ってから成り立つもの、
何かと比べない限りは強いと言えないかと思います。
反論、長文失礼致しました。

2010 12/12 9:16 AM
ssss
 176 

いいぞ!

2011 2/12 6:36 PM
ssss
 177 

BB後強すぎる@
早く四次したいw

2011 2/12 6:37 PM
ssss
 178 

BB後は120でキャノン2ふっただけで20k前後でますね; すごいです@

2011 3/8 2:39 PM
鋳匙堕 猟
 179 

海賊・・・気にくわん・・・戦士最高

2011 3/21 2:49 PM
鋳匙堕 猟
 180 

海賊よよよよ

2011 3/21 2:50 PM
鋳匙堕 猟
 181 

うんぽ食べろ・・・食え

2011 3/21 2:52 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 182 

どうでもいいけどどうせなら1つにまとめて欲しい

2011 3/22 5:42 PM
anago
 183 

キャプテンは3次職までの苦労があってこそだと思いますb

2011 3/29 10:18 PM
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海賊王に俺はなる!(大人気漫画ワンピースより)

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てか海賊銃反則とか書いてる人いるけど
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