これってかめは○波じゃんｗｗ

カメはメﾊですね（・ｗ・）

５次とかでたら
１０倍かめは○波とかでるんじゃなぃ？ｗｗｗ

経験値の変数から考えて５次はありえません

韓国ではでるとの情報がありました。
転職は180
最高レベルが210になるとか
デマだと思いますが

５次職が出る前に、また新しい職業が出るような気がしますね。たとえば錬金術師とか。

スーパートランスフォームと合わせたら超サ○ヤ人間違いないですねｗ

　新職業実装と言ってもやるとしたら結構先だと思いますｗ
こんなに大型アップデートを行った後にすぐ出るとは思えません。
　出るとしても3年は先だと思うなぁ～
　確かに錬金術師は新職業の候補にはあったみたいですｗ

200の時点の経験値必要量がある変数のほぼ最大値のため200↑を作るとしたら大幅な仕様変更をする必要がある

まあ全部半分にすればいいんじゃねとか言われそうだが簡単に出来ることではないと言っておく

もっとも４次でほぼ職として完成しているのでそれ以上は必要ないのだが。
やみくもにインフレさせてもきりがない。

みんな気づいてた?
30-70-120(-180)と必要レベルが上がりますが
その、上がる数字が１０ずつ増えてるんだよ！

0-30 (+30) 　30-70 (+40)
70-120 (+50) 120-(180) (+60)
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 ↑
これは実装された場合ですが↑

1次職でレベル10、2次職でレベル30なので、最初は+30ではなく+20ですね。

新職で「絵師」とかでてほしい

新職「小僧」ｗｗ

新職「山賊」 海賊がありならこれも・・・

INT使う職業ってことで魔法剣士☆

メルをばんばん使って攻撃する「赤字賊」

今出てる職業に新しいやつとかもありえる
たとえば魔なら火毒・氷雷の次に風土とかｗｗ（ないかｗｗ

新職（忍者）いくつか情報ありますよー
ってかこれ　かめ・・波ってゆうより元気ＤＡＭＡ？ｗ

てか山賊＝盗賊でいいのでは？
むしろ空賊に期待

ここに書くことじゃないからお前ら＾＾；

新職「空軍」ｗｗ

20の言う通りですよｗ

そういう話は雑談のほうでよろｗ

20、niceツッコミｂ
これは、周りに他の敵がいれば連鎖して攻撃する。
って6体以上に追加効果があるのか
アローボム見たいに初弾で周囲に当たるのか
どっちですか?

あと、ディレイはあるんでしょうか?・・
動画とかあったら見たいです

たぶん６体が限界だと思いますよ

ディレイは・・・しらんｗ

このスキルはチェインライトニングのぱくりだけど
チェインのほうが軽く強いな。
まあステスキル

でもこれ消費MP０だぜｗｗ

そうそうｗ
MP０なのはいいよねｗ

これ動画見ると明様にﾄﾞﾗｺﾞﾝｽﾄﾗｲｸよりｴﾅｼﾞｰｵｰﾌﾞの方が攻撃速度が速くディレイも無いが
敵を貫通する度にﾀﾞﾒｰｼﾞが低くなるけど
最初に当たった敵に900%なのか最後に当たった敵に900%なのか平均ﾀﾞﾒｰｼﾞが900%なのか
誰か知りませんか?；；

ん～
まぁドラゴンストライクと組み合わせてコンボにしたら強いんじゃない？
まぁ、その他にも重要スキルが多いので後回しになりそうですが。
もっとも、エナジーオーブについては謎が多いので今後の情報に期待ですね

手裏剣を投げるくらいの速度で使用できるみたいです。

暗黒の実装忘れてないか？
暗黒魔とかでないんすかね？

これ、ドラゴンストライクよりいいんじゃないか？

俺もそう思うけど一つ仕様がわからない
貫通する度に弱くなる仕様で6体に平均900%以上ならば
このｽｷﾙは(ディレイ有無を含め)ドラゴンストライクより約2倍攻撃速度が速いため、最初のｽｷﾙ能力は低いがMAXLvになれば
ドラゴンストライクより約2倍強いと思う

まだ4次してないのでなんともいえませんが、
これはこれでとてもいいスキルだと思いますがドラゴンとオーブのどちらかを先にあげるのだとしたらドラゴン先の方が良いと思います。
エネルギー系はすぐゲージが溜まるのだとしても、溜まっていない時は使用できないので。。。
ドラゴンなどの範囲でゲージ溜め→オーブで攻撃
みたいな

エナジーオーブは
一番正確な情報では、チェインライトニングと同じく一体目が９００％で、2体目４５０％→3体目２２５％･･･といった仕様だそうです。
ただ、振りの速度がなかなかですし、それでもそこそこの威力があるので
エネルギーバスターより使えるんじゃないかと予想されます。
ただ、４次のスキルはどれも優秀なので、それを差し引いても後回しになりそうですね

通りすがりのぽぷらDKさん情報ありですｗ；
それ本当なら後回しにかなぁ。。；振らないかもｗ
単純計算MAXLvでも最大巻き込みしても1800%以下ですね。。
ドラゴンと比べると、オーブの方が2倍早いとしても
ドラゴン:810×6=4860%
オーブ:1800×2=3600%
なんかｵｰﾌﾞに振っても意味が無いと言う気がします・・

このスキル　
エネルギー技の中で唯一
トランス・スーパートランス中に使えないんですよねぇ・・・
何　故　だ

トランスフォーム、スーパートランスフォーム中に使えないとか、通常状態でも弱いスキルのにそんな制限まであるなんて、このスキルは本当に最後に振るべきですね
まぁ使うとしたら簡易単体1~3体攻撃としての役割ですかね(けっこう離れていても連鎖するので6体巻き込みやすいというのはありますが)
デモリッションもあの破壊力は無駄だし、ここまでくるとスーパートランスフォームをボス以外での使用価値があるかどうかも危ぶまれてきますね

海賊は計り知れない破壊力だ

新職ですか 魔の風土もぃぃですが…魔なら光闇のがかっこょくなぃですかあ

また新職の話か
続けるなら雑談のほうでやりなよ

ほんとほんと

ボス戦ってエネルギードレインとエナジーオーブどっちのほうがダメージあたえられるのかな

どっちもほとんど使いません
ボス戦っｋｂされるわ単体攻撃だはでチャージ期間って短いんですよ

通常状態のフィストとかもボスに仕えない場合が多く結局変身してデモリションしてるとき以外はほとんど何もしてないに近いです

エナジーオーブマックスなら骨狩りとかで結構使えますよ～。特に骨が２～３体ぐらい残ってる場合に有効です。

ちなみにスーパートランスフォームは雑魚狩りでは一切使いません

このスキルは気絶解除をしないようなので

エルボ→オーブ→ドラスト（またはフィスト）
だとスキルLv低いうちでもダメージ稼ぎができます

まぁいわずと知れた「ゲージが溜まってたら」の話ですが

エナジーオーブの、ダメージ減少率も変更され火力アップみたいです。
推定で１／２づつ減少から２／３づつ減少になるようですｗ結構使える
ようになりそう、殲滅力はＤストを超えるかもｗｗｗ

まだ1ですが､ディレイが無いのでなかなか使い易いですね。

皆さんこんにちわ～。
このスキルの有効性はスタンマスタリーによるコンボにあります。

例えば、エルボー→Dスト

このときクリティカルの判定があるのでDストの威力が上がりますよね。えっと、4次の方ならよく使ってるのではないでしょうか？(汗
このコンボをちょっと変えてみます。

エルボー→オーブ→Dスト

この時、オーブを途中に挟んでもエルボーによる気絶が解除されません。つまり、オーブ後のDストにもクリティカルの判定が残ります。

なので一連のコンボとしては非常に美しくなります、多分。それが有効かは別とします。

修正が入ったら更に使いやすくなると思いますが、いかんせん他のスキルが・・・orz

長文すみませんでした。

＞４７さん
ぅ・・・ガイシュツネタだったんですね＾＾；
長々とすみませんでした；；

>>はなびｓ
４次スキル使用者のコメントが（ここだけに限らず）なかなか少ないので参考にする人は助かってると思います
（たぶん・・・）

３の魔師さんへ

それはない

放出系で遠距離から使えるのかと思ったら
かなり近寄らないと当たらないですね｡

フィストより若干長いくらいか｡

ドラ○ンボールパクリすぎだな～～ｗ　　　　　（「　・ω・）「　か～め～は～○～波～～～～ｗ

これに現在１９振りましたが
出の速さ、近接巻き込み時の総ダメージなどにより
まだまだバスターを使った方が効率が良くなっています。

マックスにすればもっと使えるようになるのかな？
３体目以降のダメージはオマケみたいなものだし
ちょっとスキル振りを後悔しつつあります。

エルボー　→　オーブ　→　Ｄスト
は強いけど骨とかだと反撃食らって痛いしね；；

オーブは雑魚狩りではDストと組合わせてかなり使えます。むしろマックスにしないと弱くて使えません。最低でも２５はないとダメかと思います。
このスキルは敵が３匹ぐらい残ってる場合に有効です。

新しい職なら・・・・・キッカーとかでてほしいなｗレギシスを武器にした蹴り攻撃とか・・・・死神とかもでてほしいｗ鎌・・・・・あとは・・・双剣士とか・・・・おもったんだけどだいぶ↑のほうにある魔剣士っていうのパラディンでしょ・・・・

新職の妄想は雑談板へ。

とりあえず新職考えてる人は板違い。雑談の方で頼むよっと

１体ずつ転移するに連れて半減は痛いな…
バスターみたく２～４体相手にエルボー後に使えばよさそうだけど…
感じ方は人によりけりだなぁ

というか拳は使えるスキルが多くて逆に困る(’`;w

>60

チェインの下位互換って考えればそう使いにくく無いとは思うんだが。

使ってみた感想ですが、ラッキーセブンのように軽快にジャンプ撃ちができるのを期待していたのですが
思っていたより動作が鈍重で、エネルギースキルという意味で、EBに比べると使い勝手の悪い印象ですね・・・
何より範囲スキルでダメージが均等に通らないところが痛いです；

マックスじゃないとあんま使えない。このスキルは複数攻撃と考えたらダメ。あくまで単体攻撃+αです。

まぁ今後のスキル修正パッチに期待かね？

ディレイがあって使いづらいってのもあるだろうから。

新職でコンガーとかでませんかね　ドンキーみたいに手をぶんぶん回して頑張ったり

>>65

だからここ場違いｗｗｗｗｗｗ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=JP&hl=ja&v=oyxDwglqzLw

シグナス騎士団が来月ごろ実装されませんかねｗ

正直このスキル･･まったく使えません

ＭＰいらないの？

エナジーオーブの使い方難しいですね；；
Dストとの組み合わせ以外に
上手な使い方ないですか？

・スナッチーオーブーオーブ
・エルボ　ーオーブーオーブ
・パンチ－オーブーパンチーオーブ
・オーブ　べた撃ち

かなｗ

とおりすがりの殴屋さん
返信ありがとうございます。

オーブ2発ですか、なるほど！
やはりDストとスキルがややかぶってる感じなんですかね～。

スキルのモーションがもう少しだけ短ければ
って思うのに残念です＞＜

皆さん知ってます？
…ってか
エルボー→オーブ→Dスト
の話が出てる時点で知らないんでしょうけど…

実はですね

現在はバグにより…

Dストにクリティカルが適応されないんです；

ダメージの色は赤くなるんですが…
実際はダメージ増えてないんです

＞＞７４

ｍｊｋｗｗｗ
知らなかったｐｑ
死ネ糞ン！

修正はいる予定ないんですかねぇ？

＞＞７４

Ｄストはクリティカル判定が無いのではなく効果が低くなってるのかとｗ　クリティカルはスキルダメージの％にクリティカルの％が増加になってるので８１０％がクリティカルで８７０％になってるのだと思われますｗ

最近弩で気づいたのは秘密＞＜。

＞＞77

なるほど！
言われてみてそんな気がしてきました！

となると60％の恩恵をうける単体スキルに比べると
エルボー3体、60％の確率ということも考えても
Dストについては期待値が薄いのですね

3次でスタンマスタリーを切ることはさすがにできませんが
狩りで　エルボー→Dスト　を念入りに使わなくてもいいと思うと
少し気が楽になりました

エルボー後の被ダメって結構痛いんですよね＞＜；；

こんばんは(　・∀・)

126のバイパーやってます

質問なんですが、オーブとふぃすとどちらを先にあげるかで悩んでいます・・・。

自分が使いやすかった方などでもいいのでちょっとアドバイス下さい(´Д`；)

まずドラゴンあげてその次のお話でよかったですか?

その後、難しいと思いますが
自分はドラゴンの前にリーフ1、ブースター1
ドラゴン後にお試しでオーブ1しました。

その後、ラピッド30
ウィンドブースター11
現在デモリションをup中です。

オーブはスキルレベルをあげないと
使いにくいとよく聞きます。

狩りスタイルにもよりますし
ボス主体か、狩り主体か
ビシャスへ行くかなんかによっても
順番が変わるかも？ですよ～。

いろいろ魅力あるスキルが多いので悩めます＾＾；

海斗さんありがとうございます！

いや、1ｓｔキャラなので、ボスなどはあまり考えたことがなくて・・・火力もないのでｗ

ドラスト30→次が狩りでよく使えるスキルにしたいんですが、狩りで使うならラピッドかオーブどっちなんでしょうかね？

質問攻めですいません(;´Д｀ )

130から狩場が神殿になると思うので
1stキャラという事は・・・
変身してのドラゴン→ショックウェーブの繰り返しは
金銭的に厳しいと思うので

パンチ、ドラゴン、エルボーを軸にして
無敵を上手に使いながら必要に応じて
バスター、ドレインを混ぜていく感じがいいと思います。
しばらく、狩り方は3次の延長になりますよ。

オーブも使ってみたいですけど
ビシャスやジャクムのことも考えると
次はラピッドフィストがいいかもです。
単体の敵にも結構有効ですよ～。
敵と重なってしまったときにパンチで繋ぐとダメージを貰うので
ラピッドを挟むとダメージを回避できたりしますよ～。

ウィンドブースターが1あれば
パンチ→ドラゴン→パンチ
パンチ→バスター→ドレイン→パンチ
の連携も被ダメなしでいけます。

ラピッドのあと下のどれを選ぶか悩むかもですね；；
ウィンドブーシター11
デモリション30
エナジーオーブ30
メイプルヒーロー20

バイパーは結構黒字狩りが可能なので
レベル上がるほど余裕出てくると思いますよ。

海斗さんまたしてもありがとうございます＞＜

では次はラピッドをあげてみようかと思います

黒字狩りができるバイパーはやっぱり神でした＾＾

バイパーでよかったです＾＾

ぇ？これってカメ○メ波っつーヵ
マスタース○ークなのでは？ｗｗｗ

どーでもいい話なんですが
エルボー使うときって破ダメあるじゃないですか；
あれはジャンプとエルボー設定してるキーを
同時に押すことでジャンプバックエルボーができるんです。
そうすると後ろに下がらず、破ダメを受けることが無くなりました。
これを2次くらいから慣らしておくと非常にやりやすい狩りになりましたー

長文長々と失礼致しました！

あの・・・・。　だれか42のインファイターの狩場教えてくれませんか？出来るだけいい経験地の場所でお願いします＞＜あとスキルの振り方も教えて下さい＞＜お願いします　質問ばかりですみません；；

そしてここで１１３のバッカニア狩場おしえてくだしえ　
･д･)三O)゜д゜);゜.

新職業「2とうりゅう」でるらしいよ

デュアルだろ
板違いだしとっくにみんな知ってるよ

＞あんずのれたーすｓ
火力と資金力にもよりますけど１１３ﾚﾍﾞなら
姫か骨とかがいいと思われますよー
拳はﾊﾟﾝﾁで集めが出来ますから、１２０くらいまで
姫ソロ余裕で行けますね＾＾

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