これはﾀﾞﾌﾞﾙｱｯﾊﾟｰなどの
連続攻撃だったら両方６０％倍増になりますかね？
なったとしたら、ﾃﾞﾓﾘｼｮﾝ(?)の威力が3680%(480%増)になりますがｗ

クリティカル出すにはバックスピンブローかダブルアッパーで気絶させないとクリティカル出ないって事かな?・・
SE付いたら確立75%威力＋200%って事になりますよね。。
上げてる人情報くださいー＞＜

>>2
気絶させないと判定しない。
故にボスには無効。

ＳＥの適応確認はしてないが、
従来通りならばその計算で正しいはずである。

自分の場合です。

通常だと
ダブルアッパーで１０ｋ×２です。

SE有り＋気絶だと
ダブルアッパーで２０ｋ×２でました。
２００％であってると思います。

気絶してないとき、SE有りだと当然クリティカル起こりますが、その時の追加％はどうなるんだろう。
気絶しないと＋６０％は無いのかな…？

分かる人いたら情報もらえると嬉しいです＾＾；

これナイトと協力すればもっとすごいことになんじゃね？

>>6
むしろ銃と組めよ
100%気絶あるんだし

スタンマスタリーは気絶の敵に攻撃すると発動するわけですが、１．６倍ではなく６０％上乗せなのでスキルによって効果が変わってきます。

６０％で６０％上乗せなので、期待値としては３６％攻撃があがります。（あくまで期待値です）
ストレートやエネルギードレインなどの単体・単発攻撃の場合、期待値は３６％です。
が、複数に当たるスキル、攻撃回数が多いスキルはその分追加攻撃力が高くなります。
二回攻撃のダブルアッパーなら７２％、３体気絶させてムーンサルトを撃ったなら１０８％上乗せとなります。

そしてコレが４次のラピッドフィストになると３６％×６で２１６％上乗せ、デモリションになると２８８％あがります。

ストレートやＥドレインは連射が売りのスキルなので、スタンマスタリーとの相性はよくないようです。

これって通常攻撃力の６０％加算って事？
例えば
パンチ　４２０％+２５２％＝６７２％
ではなく
　　　　　４２０％+６０％＝　４８０％

って事でしょうか？

>>9
ダメージを160%ではなく、ダメージに60%上乗せなので420+60%=480%
これが正しいです

んーこのスキルって3次のスキルと組み合わせて使うことできなくはないと思いますが使いづらいような・・4次のフィストやドラストと組み合わせれば別なんでしょうが・・・3次の時点では優先度低く感じるんですがどうでしょうか？

↑その通りかとｂ

ただしＳＥもらうと３次でも効果大になりますｗ

俺の解釈ですが、このスキルはダメージアップのソースとして必要不可欠ですが、はっきり言わせていただきましょう！

よわい；；

他の職のクリティカルと比べると、

一、気絶して無いと効果が無い

ニ、ダメージ上昇率が少ない

(三、だが発生率は他の職より高い)

拳職はスタンコンボでダメージを与える！というスタイルの証明となっているスキルですが、条件の割にメリットが少ないスキルだと思います。泣ける；

ボスで効果が無いのも痛いので、シグナスのストライカーと同じ『クリティカルパンチ』に仕様を変えてくれる事を祈ってます。

拳の三次ということに対して、投げの二次のクリティカルを考えるとどう考えてもバランスがおかしいですよね・・・

職の個性としては素晴らしいんですがね・・・。魅せる職として斬りを追随しますし。

でもやっぱり、強さも兼ね揃えたスキルであって欲しいのでｂ

+60%ではなく、1.6倍にしてくれても相当強くなりますねー。変えてくれないかな？ｗ

クリティカルに不満があるなら他の職やれよ、とは言わないでください＾＾；

200lvにするなら拳だと俺は心に決めています。

これを使うと黒字になった・ｗ・

バイパーよわいわ・・・・ほかの職と比べても明らかだしボスでも弱いし雑魚処理だって銃のミサイルとくらべたらディレイありすぎて銃のほうが処理はやいし・・・俺からすればバイパーはネタみたいなものに感じるクリティカルもスタンしないとでないししかも６０％追加って・・・クリティカルが1，6倍になってスーパートランスフォームの待機時間がなくなって初めてほかの職にたどりつけるようなきがする。

3次スキルのスタンマスタリー。
これを削って他の5種をMAXっていうのどう思いますか？
スタン状態でしかも必ずクリではないので、正直それなら別をあげようかなと思いました。
もしよい意見あれば教えて教えて下さい。
よろしくお願いします。

＞＞初心者で殴ります さん

自分はそれもありかと思います。バスターやＳＷのディレイが短縮された今、この２つを捨てるのはもったいない気もしますしｗ現時点ではクリティカルの効果はかなり薄いですからね…
ダブルorエルボー→ラピットにすればそこそこおいしいですが…スタンが効く相手ならするまでないという現状もあったり＾＾；

スタン捨ての欠点を強いて上げるとするなら
派手さが薄くなる(クリティカルの数字はやはり派手なのでｗ)
４次序盤では多少きつくなる(ラピットSLv１ならクリティカル時ダメージ６５％程度アップする理屈ですからねｗ)
神殿やトウキョウの雑魚狩りではあった方が楽になる(これは当然ですねｗないよりあった方が程度かもですがｗ)
修正が入りクリティカルがダメージ×％になった場合高確率で後悔する…

こんなところですかね…だけは怖いですが、ここ２年ずっと変わらずですからねｗナイトウォーカーのバンパイアをこっちのクリティカル計算式にあわせて落としてることを考慮しても修正される可能性は低いと思いますｗ

以上を考慮してスタン捨てもありというのが自分の意見です＾＾責任持てないのでオススメはしませんが(笑

以上、個人的意見でしたｗ長文失礼しました＾＾；

↑名前間違えてましたね＞＜

初心で殴りますさん、失礼しました(_ _)

バイパーについては友達のたまに借りてするていどなのでよくわかりませんが、MAX必須なのでは？

四次でスナッチありますしスナッチ→ドラストのコンボありますし・・・

まぁスキルなんて適当でも大丈夫です←(ﾜﾀｸｼは両刀パラディンなんていう意味不明な物作りました)

ドラストはスタンマスタリーの効果がほぼないんです…

ドラストはSLvMAXで810％の威力ですよね？これにクリティカルが発生しても870％にしか増えないんです；；つまり約11％の威力の上昇です。スタンしてるが条件で60％の確率で威力が11％上昇です…同じ理由でオーブでも微妙だと思います。

フィストだと230％なのでクリティカル発生で290％に、約26％上昇するので(5.6発目も同じ数値上昇します)そこそこ使えます。ですがLvがあがるとクリティカルなしのフィストでも耐えれる敵はトウキョウ、神殿くらいです。この２つならマスタリーも使えるでしょうが…上昇値を考慮するとなくてもいいかな…というのが自分の意見です。(雑魚ならドラストが主になると思いますし)デモリは威力がさらに落ちさらに倒せない敵が減るので無視しちゃいますｗ

以上の理由で４次後半ではなくてもいいかと思いました。上でも言ったように修正入ると最悪ですけどね；；

長文失礼ｗ

あ、１つ忘れてました＞＜
SEを考慮した場合のことをｗ

SEがつくと、すでにクリティカル所有の場合、確率重複.威力は既存＋スキルの増加分＋100％となります。
ですので、SE30を使ってもらうと発生率75％威力200％になります。

フィストなら75％の確率で約87％の増加となりますのでかなり強くなりますねｗ
ドラストの場合約25％の増加ですｗエルボー、スナッチと組み合わせると使えるかもしれませんねｗ

バイパーにはＷＢがありBM.CBMさんと組めば互いに強くなれるのでありかもしれませんｗ
トウキョウ、神殿で弓さんとグル狩りする方は振った方が強いかもですねｗ
やはり自分は捨てていい気がしますが(爆

連コメ失礼＾＾；

スタンマスタリー単体で見ると微妙なスキルですが、四次以降でも狩りの端々やSEで出番があります
そのスタンマスタリーを削って何をMAXにするかというところですが
自分は上げるならば、ドレイン11止めのところがMAXになるのですが、個人的にドレインは使う場面がほぼ無いので、比較的有用なスタンマスタリーをMAXにしています
ドレイン黒字狩りに拘りたい方や他の考え方をしている方もいると思うので、あくまで個人的な意見ですｂ

ドレインは4次で無茶苦茶使うぞ。LV150を超えるとドレインしながらだと忘却の最後でも薬を使わなくてもよくなるくらいって書いてある。

連打可能だからスキルLVは１１でもHP全快までは数秒だから問題ないとも言えるけども。

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ここはスタンマスタリーでは？ｗ

クリティカル(以下CTと略)についておもしろい実験データが取れたのでメモ代わりにｗ

スタンマスタリー20+SE30の効果の実験です。本来なら
スタンマスタリーの効果60%
SEの効果240%
60%+240%で合計300%の増加
のはずなんです。(実際投げさん弓さんはそれであてはまりますし)
ですが、デモリLv1(90%×8回)を使った結果、1発のCT無し最高が3900程度に対して、CT発生時20kを超えました。攻撃力が4300程度なので390%のダメージなら17kが限界のはずなんですよが･･･

そこで、計算しやすくするためデモリをLv2(100%×8回)にして実験してみた結果、CT無し最高4293.CT発生時21483との結果に。
ジャスト５倍のダメージが出てしましまいましたｗなのでCTの増加が400%になってるのではないかと推測してみました。

確認のためラピッド、ドラストで追って確認した結果
ラピッド21(194％)CT無し時8302.CT発生時25540
ドラスト11(475%)CT無し時20253.CT発生時37424
ラピッドは下4段の1発辺りの結果です。どちらも実験データはあまり取りませんでしたが･･･
大体攻撃力(4300)の4倍ほど増加が確認できたのでかなりいい線行ってるのではないかと思います。
自分の結果は以上です。よければあとは誰か調べてください＾-＾；(弓の友がほとんどいないのでデータが取りづらいんです；；)

スタンマスタリーの性能、あがってませんか？？

なんか、アラン仕様な感じが…！

スタンマスの仕様がクリティカルと同じになったと聞いた
気絶させる必要あるけど

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