これ4次転職の中では強いのかな？

既に他のスキルが範囲広いし
引き寄せる意味があるのかな…

場所が広いところでは引き寄せたほうが狩り効率あがると思います

まぁそんなに4次では火力てきにも使えませんね・・

エナジーオーブとうまく組み合わせられればけっこう使えるとおもうけどうだろう？

これは捨てかな？
戦士の体当たりのほうがまだ使えそう

そうじゃなくて引き寄せてから→複数攻撃→ｳｯﾊｳﾊ
っていう方程式なんだよ

出が異常に早いし、スタン効果付き。
おまけに6体攻撃で威力は600%。
引き寄せ効果はあくまでオマケ。トランスフォーム状態でスタンさせられるっていうのがこのスキルの利点だと思う。
っていうか実際そうみたいだし･･･ね。

でも４次海賊は他の攻撃は単体攻撃が多い
（たぶん）から使いにくいと思ってるけど
スタンがあるから集める数加減すれば
スタンの時間で一匹ずつ片付けられる
かも・・・なんだかｺﾞﾒｿ

でもこれあげるのはデモとラピッドとドラゴンとスーパートランスがMAX近くないとあげないんじゃないか?30近くまで

スニッチ･････｡

引き寄せてディモリジョン、気絶してるから
スタンマスタリーでさらに与ダメUP・・・
ゃばくなぃ？

MISSたｗデモリジョンですたｗ

どうでもいいですがスキル獲得の条件は
スーパートランスフォーム２ではなく１ですね

これ25止めで十分だね

これが主力スキルかな……近距離戦も楽かな?

このスキルはショックウェィブより威力は劣りますが、バイパーの狩り動画を見ると攻撃速度がショックウェィブより早いし気絶もあるのでショックウェィブより使えるスキルではないのかと思います。
とすれば3次でショックウェィブを削っても問題ないかと思ってるんですけどどうでしょうか・・・？
意見よろしくお願いします。

スナッチは、攻撃力、速度、気絶だけを見るとバイパースキルでは、最強です。ただし、気絶
があるため、集めづらく鬼殲滅力を発揮するのが難しいです。私は中国、東京ＭＡＰでＨＰの
高いＭＯＢをデモリッションで狩る際に気絶、させるのに使っています。よって振ってるのは
１のみ。最も気になるスキルには変わりないので、このスキルでどんどんかれるようなＭＡＰ
が出てくれることを祈ります。

私は、ＬＶ１４０後半になってもＳＷメインで狩をしていますが、ＳＷを削るのであれば、Ｄ
スト先上げ推奨ですね。ＳＷやＤストの強力な範囲攻撃は狩は欠かせないですから。Ｅバス
ターで少しつらいかもですがＤストが使えるようになるまでがんばれば、全然問題ないかと。
ＳＷを削るって事はＥドレですか？これは、確かに速度は速くて、回復もいらないですが・・
単体攻撃なのが、普段の狩には適さないのと、ボス戦にしてもエネルギー溜まらないと使用不
可なので私はほとんど使っていません（スキルも１１とめ）。

私的には、ＳＷがあれば４次前半は姫関係がトランス＋Ｓトランスでかなりおいしかったので、ＳＷはお進めですが。

見づらくなってすみません＾＾；

Ｅドレは１１止めでも十分ですかね？

スナッチのマスタリー20・30ってどこからでてるんだ？
露天であまりみかけないんだが･･･

ギルクエとかなのかな？
情報求む。

＞２０
MAXか１１止めかはお好みで^^他のコーナーの書き込みも参考にして
決めればいいと思います。どちらにしても大きな失敗はないと思います。
＞２１
２０はビシャ、３０はギルクエみたいです。２０は見かけますが３０は
ギルクエのみなので、あまり見かけませんね。ただ、これを振るのは
かなり後半になると思いますので、あまり気にしなくてもいいのかと

>>２２
情報ありがとう
３０はまさかの予想通りでギルクエか・・・

スナッチMAXのかたっていらっしゃいますか？
いらっしゃったら、どんな感じか教えてくだ
さい。どういう狩スタイル？

現在スナッチレベル26ですが
威力、速度、ともに優秀で、スナッチのみを連打している場合、次のスナッチを出すまで気絶が継続しているので
相手の反撃を封じた状態でダメージを与えられますが、範囲がドラストより若干短い位なので使いにくいです

韓国情報等で言われているトランス中にエナジーオーブを含めた通常スキルを使えるようになるスキル修正が実装されれば
スナッチ→ドラストは勿論、パンチで集めてスナッチで気絶している間に気絶を解除しないエナジーオーブを投げ込む等
攻撃スタイルの幅を広げる面白いスキルだと思います
逆に、トランス中はパンチすら使えない現在の仕様では、スナッチの真価は発揮できない気がします

スナッチ→スタンス効果→エナジーオーブ→スタンスマスタリー→クリティカル　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　のコンボがつかえるとおもいます

スーパートランス中にDS他通常スキルが使えるようになったということで、早速狩りに使うようになりました
被ダメを気にしなければスナッチ→ドラストの交互でKBされても範囲から逃すことなく相手に範囲ダメージを与えることができますね
特にMAP端の雑魚を中央に寄せるように使うと引き寄せの恩恵が大きいです
余談ですが、ドラストと交互に使うので気になりませんが、今回の修正で他のスキルとは対照的にスナッチはディレイが発生するようになったようです

スナッチ→エルボー→ｄすと→バンチの繰り返しですねｗ　　　＠これｓｐ1LVで使うとストレス溜まります　　なぜかというとちかくの敵を引き寄せてしまい　遠くのてきに当たらないからです　6匹のばぁい画面の端までほぼすべての敵引き寄せます

　　　これｓｐ1LVで使うとストレス溜まります　　なぜかというとちかくの敵を引き寄せてしまい　遠くのてきに当たらないからです　6匹のばぁい画面の端までほぼすべての敵引き寄せます

↑ｍｓって2かい言ってしまってｽﾏｾﾝ

＠28はもしトランス中に全スキル使えるようになったらです

スナッチ使ってモンスター集めてドラゴンストライクつかえば

スナッチ使えると思います！
上と同じ意見でスナッチ→ドラストはけっこーいいと思います。

さらに気絶効果があるので、トドメを刺すのも容易。
こいつ自体の攻撃力もまあまあなので、これで倒してしまうことも可能。
中々使えますね～

まぁ、先上げ振りは少々躊躇われるスキル振りかもしれません。
上げるのは後々かも・・・・。
ﾏｽﾀﾘｰは既出ですが30は現状ギルクエのみ。
20は自分の鯖ではカナリ安く売ってあります。

参考までにどうぞーん♪♪
長文失礼しました。

これ使えるｗｗｗ
ルフィみたいだねｗｗ

ルフィ：ゴムゴムの～ピストルーｗ

４次の捨てスキルに悩んでいます（＞＜）
こちら現在１８０レベルです。

スナッチ２１の人、３０の人いましたら
どんな感じか感想を教えてください。

スナッチを21でとめるか
いっそ１または0にするかで悩んでいます。

今となってはオーブを捨てるべきかもしれませんが、
既にMAXのため何かいいアイデアがあれば
是非よろしくお願いします。

このスキルだけで狩りできるほど使い勝手はいいですよ。でも今はドラゴンストライクの性能がよくなったのでデモリションに繋ぐための１振りで十分だと思います。

なるほど～
レベルがレベルですし
いまさらかなと思ってたので
１振りで残りを削ってしまった
リカバリーにでも振ろうと思います。

早いご意見ありがとうございました～

STF中ドラスト使えんぞ

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