スキル名 状態 マスター
レベル
効果 条件
ラピッドフィスト ラピッドフィスト Active 30 近くにいる敵を素早く6回攻撃する。  
スキルレベル 消費MP 効果
1 21 MP 21消費、ダメージ94%
2 21 MP 21消費、ダメージ98%
3 22 MP 22消費、ダメージ102%
4 22 MP 22消費、ダメージ106%
5 23 MP 23消費、ダメージ110%
6 23 MP 23消費、ダメージ114%
7 24 MP 24消費、ダメージ118%
8 24 MP 24消費、ダメージ122%
9 25 MP 25消費、ダメージ126%
10 25 MP 25消費、ダメージ130%
11 26 MP 26消費、ダメージ144%
12 26 MP 26消費、ダメージ148%
13 27 MP 27消費、ダメージ152%
14 27 MP 27消費、ダメージ156%
15 28 MP 28消費、ダメージ160%
16 28 MP 28消費、ダメージ164%
17 29 MP 29消費、ダメージ168%
18 29 MP 29消費、ダメージ172%
19 30 MP 30消費、ダメージ176%
20 30 MP 30消費、ダメージ180%
21 31 MP 31消費、ダメージ194%
22 31 MP 31消費、ダメージ198%
23 32 MP 32消費、ダメージ202%
24 32 MP 32消費、ダメージ206%
25 33 MP 33消費、ダメージ210%
26 33 MP 33消費、ダメージ214%
27 34 MP 34消費、ダメージ218%
28 34 MP 34消費、ダメージ222%
29 35 MP 35消費、ダメージ226%
30 35 MP 35消費、ダメージ230%

コメント635件

海賊XOX海賊
 1 

ろ 六連続でMAX230%・・・・強すぎ

2008 8/10 9:42 PM
匿名
 2 

サ・・・サベジより・・・

2008 8/11 1:14 AM
sin
 3 

ダメージが5発目は2倍、6発目は4倍になるそうですよ

2008 8/11 7:06 AM
海賊XOX海賊
 4 

強すぎ

2008 8/11 12:24 PM
海賊さん
 5 

斬りの時代おしまいですねさよなら^^

2008 8/13 11:28 AM
アスレイア
 6 

壊龍で135Lvのフィスト使ってる所見てきたけど
計算して合計平均121.8k出てましたよwww
でも
SEありでバックステップドロップで気絶させてクリティカル出してるので連続で出しては無かったです
連続でフィストする時のディレイは良く分かりませんでした。
後、6回連続攻撃で1回毎度に火力が上がってい様でした。

2008 8/13 12:29 PM
匿名
 7 

スキルの説明が適当な感じするw

2008 8/13 4:18 PM
レベルがほちい
 8 

デモリションのほうが強いんじゃ・・・?

2008 8/13 4:58 PM
水無月
 9 

デモリッションはスパトラじゃないと発動できませんよ。
ラピッドは通常状態でも発動できます。

2008 8/13 7:17 PM
匿名
 10 

5打目 ダメージ2倍, 6打目 ダメージ4倍
 → マスター時 ダメージ総計 2300%

2008 8/14 11:26 AM
水玉模様
 11 

斬りのサベジはまだ見れるんじゃないですか?
早いし・・・
問題は戦士です・・・・

2008 8/15 6:58 PM
ハルヒリス
 12 

戦士かわいそうだなぁ。。
迫力は戦士がかってるかもw

2008 8/15 7:05 PM
水無月
 13 

いまいちスキルにかかる時間がわからないけどサベジレベルだったらやばいね

2008 8/15 11:00 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 14 

斬りの利点カンスト(99999*4)が可能
ほかの職でのカンスト
魔、ジェネ、メテオ、ブリザ
拳かめかめ波(MAXで900%)で出る(ただし確実で出るわけじゃなく、全く安定しない)
三次のメルプロ
他の職でカンストは難しいかな
ほかにもできる職あったらよろ

2008 8/16 12:11 AM
黄昏
 15 

SPMAXのピオシングで確認されたようです

2008 8/16 1:51 AM
do
 16 

SPMAXじゃなくてもいいんですけどね;
ピオにカンストは通用しません。
4体目以降から6桁出すことが出来ます。

2008 8/16 2:56 AM
海賊ってなに
 17 

斬りオワタとかゆってるやついるけど斬りのほうが↑じゃね?

2008 8/16 8:51 PM
卍って何?
 18 

14さんに付け足し
ナイトのパニックでもカンスト出せますよぉ

2008 8/17 11:26 AM
卍って何?
 19 


クルセのセンチュグアリ?だっけたしかそんなのでもカンスト出せるそうです。

2008 8/17 12:23 PM
ベッチ
 20 

思ったんですが海賊って他の職業のスキルを強くしたり弱くしたりしたものが多くありません?
これもそうですしオークやクイックモーション等は盗賊のスキルに少し似ていますし、
バイタライは明らかに戦士からきてますし。
というか海賊自体が盗賊と似てる気がします。
(遠距離は(銃と投げ)補充しなくてはだめだったり、二次転職のまえは遠距離と近距離どっちも使えて二時転職するとどっちかに決まるなど・・・
というか攻撃方法はさすがに似すぎなきがします。)

2008 8/17 12:29 PM
 21 

>>20

だからなに?
別に似ててもモーションやらダメージやら違う

2008 8/17 3:17 PM
ベッチ
 22 

>>21
すみません。そのこちらの説明不足でした。
上の分はそれも含めて書いていたのですが・・・
ほんとにすみません

2008 8/17 7:32 PM
海賊ルッシ
 23 

ラピッドフィストは多分サイヤ人使えるまで使い4分たったら変身してデモリションで狩るみたいなスタイルになるのかな??

2008 8/17 7:44 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 24 

いんや
ドラゴンストライクとラピッドフィストを六分間使い、二分トランスでデモリションで狩る
再使用時間480秒らしいから

2008 8/17 7:46 PM
海賊ルッシ
 25 

↑マジですか!?このサイトには240秒と書いてあるんですけど・・まぁドラゴンストライクいれること間違えましたすまそw

2008 8/17 7:52 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 26 

ごめ見間違えてた
240であってるわ

2008 8/17 7:59 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 27 

デモリッション1分で2.16m
ラピッドフィスト1分で1.76m
2分で4.32m
3.52m
合計4分で7.87m
8分で15.74m
12分で23.61m
およそ12分でビシャス撃破
四次は銃のほうがボスは強いのね

2008 8/17 8:08 PM
海軍指揮官
 28 

斬りは終わったとか。
終わってないですけど?
強さに固執してんじゃねぇよ。

2008 8/18 5:46 PM
拳海銃
 29 

連続攻撃=海賊
の時代が目の前にwww

2008 8/21 10:58 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 30 

ラピッドフィクト20相場1.5Gとか
ほとんどの人手出せないwwwwww
デモリッション20 400mだけど

2008 8/21 11:06 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 31 

ラピッドの20 相場1.5Gとか
ほとんどの人 手出せないww
デモリッションの20 400mだけど

2008 8/21 11:07 PM
ベッチ
 32 

>海軍指揮官 さん

それはありますよね!
自分が思ったのが強いと思うし、遠距離攻撃と近距離攻撃でも比べるならほとんど攻撃の値が基準になりますけど
まず遠距離攻撃と近距離攻撃じゃあ攻撃方法が違いますし、同じ近距離同士、遠距離同士でもスキルなどが速さ違いますからね。
例えば戦士、斬り、インファイターは近距離ですが
戦士は1次は攻撃としては広範囲のと火力がアップのスキル、
盗賊は短剣のスキルだと2回攻撃のダブルスタブ、
海賊は格闘のスキルだと火力アップと数体同時攻撃のスキル・・・
というように違いますからね。
早さも違えば範囲も違うし攻撃の強さも違ってきますし。
やっぱり自分が

例えばこのラピットフィストつかってみたいと思ったらインファイターになればいい

みたいな感じで他の人が言うことも参考にして「これは強そうだ」か「かっこいい」と思ったものにすればいいのではないでしょうか?
それにさすがに「○○はおわった」とか言うのはその職業の人に失礼だと思いますが・・・。

2008 8/22 9:44 PM
投了
 33 

ラピッドフィクト20の相場も
そのうち落ち着いてくるでしょ

2008 8/31 5:56 PM
通りすがりのキノコ
 34 

別に斬りは終わってないかと・・・。
ていうか武器やステ振り、スキルでその職の強さや個性があるので弱くなるということはほぼないんじゃないですかね(*´ω`)

海賊は戦士と盗賊の間の職って噂だったので盗賊に近く戦士にも近い。

噂どおりだったと言うことですね・・・

職業に限らず強いのは高レベルの方々ですね。レベル的補正><

2008 9/3 1:01 PM
海                                賊
 35 

ラピッドフィストって強いのいいけど・・・
4次っていうのがなんか・・・w

2008 9/7 11:33 PM
匿名
 36 

拳は3次が鬼門
むちゃくちゃきっついわ
でも動画でラピッドフィスト見ちゃったんだよな
だから頑張らなくちゃ

2008 9/8 12:18 AM
匿名
 37 

海賊の時代キタコレ
斬りばいばい

2008 9/14 2:40 AM
匿名
 38 

フィスト1でSE30もらってスタン効果出せば骨に最後の攻撃で60kでましたよ

2008 9/14 4:15 AM
雑魚斬り賊
 39 

SEあってこそ強いが。。。
ボス戦には海賊で参加は難しいな
HP振り直しバグ使えば別だけど・・・

2008 9/14 3:09 PM
格闘家モンク
 40 

あ やべ・・・
めちゃかこえ===----…ナイスだね

2008 9/14 7:24 PM
匿名
 41 

HP振り直しバグってなんですか?

2008 9/15 2:24 AM
匿名
 42 

>41
レベルアップしたときにもらったAPをHPに振ります、AP再振り券を使うとなぜかMPを下げることができるという、そしてMPを下げて元々上げたかった能力に振り直します。これが俗に言う振り直しバグってやつですね
ただし何回もできるというわけではなMPの最下限値がありレベル、職によってそれぞれ違います
詳しく知りたかったらググってみれば関係のサイトなどありますよ

2008 9/15 4:26 AM
海賊?いいえ魔王です。
 43 

SEもらえば、敵が気絶してなくてもクリティカル出るのかな

2008 9/15 9:18 AM
欅の拳
 44 

↑べつにバグではありません。HP・MPをへらして
振り替えているだけのことです。

2008 9/15 2:07 PM
ぼくですw
 45 

あ、いきな

2008 9/25 8:36 PM
ぼくですw
 46 

すみません;;msりました。なんでもないです。

2008 9/25 8:38 PM
スミスEX
 47 

ナニコレ強すぎやん、反則じゃんw、憧れちゃうじゃんw、まだ43の拳だけど憧れちゃうじゃんwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

2008 9/27 12:34 PM
匿名
 48 

ラピッドフィストの攻撃の後は気絶していなくてもクリティカルになるらしいんですが、一体どれくらいの確立なのか気になりますね。
ボス戦でもクリティカルになるのなら結構すごいことになりそうです。

2008 9/27 7:22 PM
バイパー
 49 

SE30あれば普通に60Kでるだろな121SE10で40K出たからな

2008 9/29 12:33 AM
匿名
 50 

出るダメージは高いが動作時間とディレイがあるんでうまく組み合わせても最底辺クラスの火力だったりします

しかもボスにはクリティカルはでません

2008 10/1 12:20 AM
匿名
 51 

ボスにも気絶する仕様(スタンとは形だけで反撃してくるにしてくれないと海賊ボス戦じゃ本当に役に立たないよ

2008 10/1 8:15 AM
メル
 52 

狩りはボスだけじゃないのでそこまでボスに執着が無ければそこそこ強いと思います
あとウインドブースターがあるのでボス戦で間接的には活躍するところもあるかもしれません(火力は当てに出来ないかもしれませんが

2008 10/1 3:21 PM
海賊?いいえ魔王です。
 53 

ウィンドブースターで弩とか戦士とか攻撃速度めっちゃあがるんでボスで役に立たないはいいすぎですよ

2008 10/1 6:41 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 54 

ウィンドブースターがあるといい職
アークメイジ
戦士系
弩?

アークメイジは全体魔法がはやくなるらしいです

2008 10/1 6:49 PM
海賊?いいえ魔王です。
 55 

弩はめっちゃ上がるらしいです。
弓より弩のほうが強くなるらしいですよ(ウィンドブースター有りなら)

2008 10/1 6:51 PM
匿名
 56 

ようするに海賊とはスーパートランスフォームという目玉スキルがあるが、火力が無く、サポート職としてしか強さを発揮できないということです

2008 10/1 9:00 PM
 57 

戦士とか盗賊と似すぎぢゃねとか言ってるけど海賊は盗賊と戦士の中間ってのでうってるみたいなので当然ぢゃないですか体力と素早さを持ち合わせてるのがうりですしまあ似すぎとか関係無い(笑)

2008 10/4 8:20 AM
銃の極み
 58 

斬りの時代終わったとか言ってるやついますけど、俺の知り合い130レベ代でサベジ10kいきますよ。

2008 10/4 11:51 PM
バイパー
 59 

↑合計だろ?

2008 10/5 12:01 AM
バイパー
 60 

合計なら普通だから

2008 10/5 12:03 AM
銃の極み
 61 

↑合計じゃない単発

2008 10/5 12:05 AM
雑魚斬り賊
 62 

嘘おつとしかいえないな
俺が計算したら
STR,DEX,INT4
LUK668
攻撃力540あればサベッジで10k出ますが
攻撃力540なんてありえない
ということで嘘乙

2008 10/5 12:10 AM
銃の極み
 63 

ということは知り合いは嘘を言ってきたのかああああああ よし明日みっちりとせっきょうしてやります。

2008 10/5 12:12 AM
となりの海賊くん
 64 

銃で30lvでダブルファイア400×2って普通でしょうか?

2008 10/5 12:15 AM
雑魚斬り賊
 65 

>>63
普通じゃないか?

2008 10/5 12:18 AM
となりの海賊くん
 66 

そうですか。 どうも。

2008 10/5 12:22 AM
匿名
 67 

銃の極み。

証明されたね。

2008 10/8 4:59 PM
バイパー
 68 

130で10KとかSEあっても無理ですね 160で最高4,5Kだからね確認してから書いてね

2008 10/8 6:43 PM
匿名
 69 

銃の極みとか

知り合いとか言ってデタラメ言うな。

お前が勝手に考えた嘘だろ

ラピッドフィストなめんな

2008 10/15 12:45 PM
匿名
 70 

ぶっちゃけ160近いバイパーですけど
これってかなり使いにくいですよ
主要スキルだいぶあげたけど斬りのほうが絶対強いです

後言っておきますが斬りは弱いです
バイパーが狩りもボスも最低クラスってだけで

2008 10/16 1:29 AM
匿名
 71 

その前にラピットフィストは130~140くらいで使うんだと思いますよ
単体狩場でもスキルMAXになればスタンさせてラピットフィストで1発で倒せると思います(SEあり)
そうなってからは狩り効率は変わりませんから不味くなるのは当然でしょう
まぁ基本的にドラゴンストライクのほうが強いからなんともいえませんけど

2008 10/16 5:28 PM
雑魚斬り賊
 72 

友達139のバイパーだけど一緒にビシャスやったときに聞いたけど、ラピッドでだいたい70k
ドラストで20kくらいとききました。
ラピッドは27
ドラストは19
ドラストはMAXにすれば30k近くかと

実は斬り方が強かったり
暗殺20で即で15k*3
暗殺30なら30k*3くらいいけるかと

2008 10/17 12:42 AM
3次海賊
 73 

ドラゴンストライクカッコイイww
ドラスト強いねぇ

2008 10/17 7:50 PM
とっくめい
 74 

125のバイパーやってます
今のところこのスキルの印象は完全に単体用です
スタンと合わせると強いので、アッパーと組み合わせたり
エルボーと組み合わせたりして使用してます

一発の火力が大きいのが魅力ですが、ディレイが大きいので
何か他のスキルと組み合わせた自分なりのマクロを作ると使いやすいです

2008 10/23 2:26 AM
???
 75 

関係無いけど・・・
友がセングのカンスト199999に上がった
とか喜んでた

2008 10/28 12:34 PM
匿名
 76 

気づいてない人いるみたいだけどフィストすると
微妙に前進するね

ジャクム本体や殿でフィスト→ドラストってしてたら
少しずつ前に出て接触死するかも

2008 11/4 11:54 PM
にゃぁんv
 77 

ラピットフィスト→ドラゴンストライク→ダブルアッパーのコンボがいいとおもわれます。フィストからのドラストはディレイが少なく。最後にダブルアッパーで気絶させればまた次にフィストで攻撃という形です。
クリティカルでフィストの攻撃も上がりますしボスでは気絶が聞かないので使えないと思われますが。
黒Yや骨には効果的と思われます。

2008 11/12 12:58 PM
匿名
 78 

ボスに攻撃し続けた場合一番ダメージ効率がいいのは何なんですかね?(相手が反撃しない、気絶しない場合)
ストレート連打とラピッドフィスト→ドラゴンストライクではストレート連打のほうが上なのは分かるんですけど、それよりラピッドフィスト→ラピッドのディレイが無くなるまでストレートのほうがいいかなとか、ラピッドフィストの後ドラゴンストライクを打ってもまだディレイがあるからストレートに劣るんじゃないかなと思ってラピッドフィスト→ドラゴンストライク→ラピッドのディレイが無くなるまでストレートとかがいい可能性もあると思うんですけど。

2008 12/2 5:38 PM
海賊4次君
 79 

ストレートを4次で使ってる拳はゴミ同然
フィストは5発目2倍6発目4倍
でDストのコンボ
これの繰り返しかな

2008 12/4 10:19 AM
通りすがり
 80 

エネルギーチャージが発動してる状態なら、多分

 フィスト→待機時間オーブ連打(オーブそんなに振ってないならドレイン連打)

が一番ダメージ高いと思いますけど、そんなこと言ったらデモリションの方が上だから、条件つけても意味ないかな。

しかし、ストレートのみを使うよりは、

 フィスト→ダブルアッパー→ストレート

の方がダメージ高いんじゃないかとは思います。

まあ、どうせスーパートランスフォーム待ちの繋ぎなんで、火力が有っても無くても、そこまで変わらないのが現実だったりはしますが。

2008 12/4 1:34 PM
匿名
 81 

エネルギーチャージを発動させるのに溜めるエネルギーは、ラピットフィストでもドラゴンストライクでもストレートでもダブルアッパーでも同じだけ溜まるんです。ですからラピットフィスト→ドラゴンストライクで攻撃している人はほとんど溜まらないと思います。
エネルギー状態の攻撃は遠距離攻撃が可能でスタンス効果もあるのでホーンテイルなどのKBしてほとんど攻撃できないボスも結構戦えるようになります。
ですからエナジーオーブやエネルギードレインを多用したい場合ストレート連打が最も効率がいいです

2008 12/4 2:17 PM
♬雑魚斬り賊♬
 82 

ストレートの弱点は相当近づかないといけないことか
ホンテとか頭やってるとき落ちそうにならないか??

2008 12/4 4:13 PM
匿名
 83 

パンチの無敵時間でストレート連打しかないかもしれませんね。それならラピッドフィストのほうがダメ効率いいような・・・
両方だめならドラゴンストライク連打しかない・・・
しかしそれだと重すぎてPCがもたない・・・

2008 12/4 6:03 PM
♬雑魚斬り賊♬
 84 

まぁホンテなんかいったことないけどな。

2008 12/4 8:50 PM
✡雑魚斬り賊✡
 85 

ラピッドフィストってMAXで230%だから
230%
230%
230%
230%
460%
920%
ってことだろ?
合計で2300%
つまりストレート(260%)9発分に相当する
ラピッドフィスト1発(ディレイ終わるまで)とストレート9発どちらが早いのだろうか・・・・・

俺拳ないから誰か調べてくれ

2008 12/5 9:18 PM
海賊四時君
 86 

じゃあ でしゃばんな

2008 12/6 7:16 PM
✡雑魚斬り賊✡
 87 

>>86
君のほうがでしゃばってるんじゃね

あれだな
エネルギーチャージってスタンス効果あるのか
エネルギーチャージって一発殴るこどにたまるとか聞いたけど(ラピッドなら6発だから6発分たまるッテコト)どうなんだろ

2008 12/6 7:47 PM
隣のぺどろ
 88 

ラピッドしてもパンチ一発分しかたまらん

2008 12/6 9:45 PM
短髪パンダ
 89 

ラピフィスは連続で打てないから斬り族よりすごいとはいえませんよ
サベジは2次スキルでラピフィスは4次スキルだし。

でも5発目で2倍、6発目で4倍だからね

2008 12/19 6:38 PM
カイゾクダマシイ
 90 

俺の勘違いかもしれませんがたまにMAXレベの5発目は460%(2倍)でいいんですが6発目が1380%(6倍)という噂きくんですがどうでしょうか?
1から4発目は6kで5発目は12kで6発目が30kくらいでてる動画を良く見ます。クリティカルついてなかったような気がします。どでしょう。
それとバイパーのほとんどのスキルでそうですがスキルレベ10と11の境界線がめっちゃ大きい気がします。フィストは普通1レベで4%あがりますが10から11だと14%もあがってます。これはすごいですね。
>>85s
ストレートは一発270%です。えと四次してないですがこれは言い切れます。ストレート連打よりフィストのほうがいいです。俺動画よくみるんで;おれみるにフィスト1回でストレート4、5発しか発動できないと思いますしストレート9回うつような効率悪い狩りはしないほうがいいので敵気絶してたらフィストはクリティカル6回いきますがストレートは1回のみ笑。ストレートつかえねー。あとフィスト1回ではチャージ1個分です。対象となる敵の数だけたまるので。言い換えればドラストのほうが直ぐたまると。
拳キャラつくればわかります。ムンサル連打すればすぐにチャージMAXなるので。

2009 1/24 11:17 AM
匿名
 91 

>90
フィストの6発目は間違えなく4倍かと。1~4発目の4倍の値が6発目に相当するわけではないです。
1~4発目が全部6kのときもあれば10kでるときもあり、6発目は20kぐらいのときもあれば40kぐらいのときもあります。確実に言えることは、1~4発目の最大値の4倍が6発目の最大値になってます。
ちなみに私は158レベです

>85
雑魚狩りではまず単体攻撃は使いませ。、ボス戦でストレートをやろうとすると、リーチが短いのとスタンスがないこともあり、実際攻撃できる回数は少ないかと。
フィストの無敵時間はかなり実用的なので、ジャクム等ではあまりKBせずにフィスト+Dストで攻撃することができます。ちなみにチャージのスタンス効果はおまけ程度です^^;スタンス発動確率がかなり悪い

http://gabunikki.blog27.fc2.com/blog-category-7.html
このブログも参考にすると良いかと思います

2009 1/24 9:57 PM
匿名
 92 

166の拳です。

フィストに関してですが、91sと同じで最後は4倍になってます。
確かに骨で、最後が27k台しか出ていない時も有りますが、48k台も出ます。クリティカルで↑54k台も出ます。
基本は骨で1確殺で、↓の数字が出た時に少し残る程度です。
そのあたりも考えると、最後はやはり4倍かと思います。

フィストも、Dストも↑と↓の幅が大きいので、分かりにくい部分があるのかもしれませんね。
デモリに関しても幅が大きく、13k台〜18・19k台で最後が20k〜22k台ですね。

最後に話変わりますが、フィストばかりで攻撃していると、何回か勝手にクリティカルが発動します。
Dストも、たまにクリティカルが発動してます。
勿論気絶させずにです。
フィスト→Dストでは、フィストのクリティカルは発動しませんが、Dストは、たまにクリティカルが発動します。

2009 1/25 7:48 AM
カイゾクダマシイ
 93 

ありです。そういう裏の計算式があったんですね。

2009 1/25 10:34 AM
hope seed
 94 

みなさん色々情報いつも見させて貰っています。
ありがとう(´・ω・`)

色々ダメ効率とかありますが、ここでみなさんに良い情報が・・・

韓国のパッチでゎ、すでに全職のスキル修正なるものが実装されていて、その恩恵を大きく受けるのが海賊。
その次にDKかな(´-ω-)

で、その海賊スキル修正内容と言うのが・・・
ドラゴンストライクとラビットフィストのディレイ時間の短縮

他にも3次のエネルギーがどうとかありましたが、
とりぁぇず参考程度に報告まで。。。

ちなみに海賊にゎ関係無いけど、
DKゎバサクがHP40%発動が 50%発動になります。

早く実装されると良いデスね(*´∀`)ノ

さらに余談ですが、
今回のパッチが韓国の少し前のパッチっぽいから、
早くて3月くらぃにゎ実装・・・と予想してみる・・・どうだか・・・

2009 1/29 1:42 PM
ヌヘヘのヘ
 95 

ディレイがかなり長く強引ですが同じ相手にフィスト→フィストと繋げると二回目のフィストにクリティカルが発生します
Dストやフィストに限らずフィストを与えた相手に与える次の攻撃に(一定確率で)クリティカルが発生するようです
自分はフィストで少し残る相手にEBを繋げてEBにクリティカルを出してとどめの確率を上げたりしています
ボス相手のフィスト後のクリティカル判定は未確認で確証は持てないのですが、もしもスキル修正で間に他のスキルを挟む必要が無い程度にフィストのディレイが短くなればボス戦ではずっとクリティカルを期待したフィストを連打することができると思われます

2009 2/2 3:43 PM
ゴンベ
 96 

>>5

わかりましたさようなら^^

2009 2/2 9:43 PM
匿名
 97 

>95
ボス戦ではフィスト後のクリティカルはでません。
どうやらフィストはスタン効果的な物も持ち合わせています。実際フィストしてから2秒ぐらいは骨が動きません

2009 2/10 9:58 PM
海賊かもね
 98 

このスキルをドラゴンストライクと連続でラピッド右Dストの順でスキル使うと発動後のスキがあんまりでない気がするよ。

2009 3/6 11:43 PM
 99 

そうですよ。
ディレイではなくクールタイムと表現されるように、
動けないのではなくそのスキルを使用できないだけですから。

2009 3/7 3:55 PM
いわた
 100 

空気読まず100げと

まだ4次してないから分からないんですが
ラピッド→パンツ→Wアッパー→…
でダメージ喰らわないとか…ありますかね;

2009 3/13 2:35 PM
ヌヘヘのヘ
 101 

ナックルブースターとウィンドブースターをかけた状態なら
ラピッド→即パンチ→(振り向き)ラピッドの繰り返しでレヴィアタン等を基本的に被ダメ無しで攻撃可能です

2009 3/14 1:02 AM
noname
 102 

↑に付け足し
テクニックが上がればどんな敵でもノーダメで倒せますね。

パンチ→ラピのループで時間はかかるとしてもどんな敵(わからんけど)でもいけるので、ある意味最強と言える気がします。

2009 3/24 4:04 PM
ヌヘヘのヘ
 103 

スキル解除 封印 スタン 誘惑等の、スキル使用を滞らせる行動を受けなければ基本的にこの戦法は可能な様です
逆に、パンチの無敵中でもビシャスのスタンや解除等は食らってしまう様です
実践した結果では、レッドドラゴン グリフォン等でも有効でした

2009 3/24 4:29 PM
ロロ
 104 

ラビットフィストとドラゴンストライクコンボにしてる人みたwww

2009 3/25 11:46 AM
匿名
 105 

122の拳やってますが・・・
フィストの無敵時間でダメはないですけど
気絶だのスローだのスキルはずしだのはあるようですね・・・
ビサで苦戦しましたわ・・・w

2009 4/11 9:50 PM
ヌヘヘのヘ
 106 

細かい点で拳の無敵時間の特性についてですが
(主にパンチ後、フィスト中、デモリ中)

敵の「攻撃」に状態異常が付属しており、ダメージを受けた時状態異常を受けるスキルに対しては、状態異常、ダメージ共に受けません

ジャクム本体の封印付加の電撃
ジャクム本体のスタン付加の落石
ベルガモット1、2のスキル解除付加のレーザー
ベルガモット3の誘惑付加のミサイル爆撃

「攻撃」ではなく「状態異常」を引き起こすだけのスキルに対しては状態異常を受けます

レヴィアタンのリバース
ビシャスのスタン、スキル解除
ライカの誘惑
プロトタイプロードのスタン
ベルガモット1、2のスタン
テン(ジャクム本体が召喚する白い人形のようなモンスター)のスタン

厄介なベルガモットの誘惑やスキル解除を受けずに攻撃可能な事はかなり有用な事かと思います
気を付けたい事は、ジャクム本体の落石では気絶しませんが、ジャクムの召喚するテンに対してパンチでタゲをとってしまうとスタンして連続で本体に接触してしまい危険な事です

2009 4/30 6:19 PM
楓のバイパー
 107 

これはすごいです。自分は20だけど30になれば最強になるとおもいます。  
サベッジのじだいはおしまいか 
                   

2009 5/16 11:53 AM
あっぽちん
 108 

まぁそりゃ4次スキルだからサベジより強くなきゃいけないが・・・・サベジは2次からつかえるというところが特徴でありまた別々にいいところがあったりします

2009 6/12 10:48 AM
 109 

蹴りがあるところがカッコイイ

2009 6/12 6:47 PM
匿名
 110 

109

だから何?

2009 6/12 9:37 PM
匿名
 111 

日本でもスキル変更パッチあてられればいいですねw 
ディレイ減少はすごい助かるし

2009 7/10 2:26 PM
鴇時
 112 

ここに書くべきかどうか分かりませんが
フィストとストライクってどちらを先上げがおすすめですか?
狩りメインで考えて・・・

2009 7/10 2:31 PM
匿名
 113 

112へ
スキル振りは狩場によって変わると思いますよw
リプレで狩るんだったらフィスト先上げ
神殿で狩るならDスト先上げ

@ボス戦なんかによく参加するならまたスキル振りは変わってくると思いますよw

2009 7/10 4:34 PM
4次拳
 114 

>>101~103
パンチ→Dスト→パンチ→フィストの繰り返しだと基本的に無敵狩りができます。
(ブスタ+WBありで)
※60分間、骨を狩ってチーズ30個って事も可能。

Dスト後のパンチは即撃ち必須。
タイミングを取るのが難しいけれど、jtkを使ってる人はパンチの連打を30回/秒に設定すると相当ラク。

ざっと見た感じで過去ログになかったので書き込みました。
既出だった場合はスルーをお願いします。
ま、当然効率はそれなりに落ちますけどね…(’A

2009 7/10 4:39 PM
鴇時
 115 

ありがとうです><
リプレで狩るのでフィストあげますね^^b

2009 7/10 7:12 PM
海賊さん
 116 

これって溜めれるんだっけw

2009 7/13 9:34 PM
灼黒の海賊
 117 

前ラピッドフィスト20
999kで売ってたから買ってしまったb

2009 7/13 10:47 PM
激爆メテオ
 118 

このスキル200で極振り     装備AT85 茶軍手A20 モモマンA11 靴S7 D14 黒ヘァバンA9 オウルアィD6命11   全身鎧D12 S42 で5、6発目はカンストでましたぁ

2009 8/6 5:22 PM
卍メイプル卍
 119 

強いがMPを結構使ってしまうのがいやな所だorz

2009 8/7 7:01 PM
匿名
 120 

>>119

攻撃時間結構長いからMPの消費はそうでもないよ

2009 8/9 12:20 PM
海賊初めて
 121 

3次したんですが、3次スキルのラピッドフィストを取得したいんですが、このスキルはスキルブック習得しなくてはだめなのでしょうか??もし習得しなくてはいけないならば、どのモンスターを倒せば習得できるか教えてください。お願いします。

2009 8/12 11:00 PM
鴇時
 122 

それはシグナスですか?
シグナスならフィストはたしか100にならないと振れませんよ^^

2009 8/13 6:52 PM
海賊初めて
 123 

なるほど!!わかりましたー 
ありがとう御座いました^^

2009 8/14 3:42 PM
HP20k殴り
 124 

フィストは強制KBなので金ハゲうまい

2009 9/7 12:27 PM
HPカンストの拳(作りたい
 125 

フィストって1min何発撃てるかな?

拳詳しい人教えてください。

2009 10/18 8:15 PM
匿名
 126 

フィストは合わせ技できるしいいですねー♪

全職の単体攻撃のなかではかなり強いほうだと・・・まああくまで個人の意見ですが。

さらにSEもらうとヤバイ・・・・。

2009 10/22 7:29 PM
 127 

>>HPカンストの拳(作りたい さん

実際にやってみました。ストップウォッチ使っての測定なので多少の誤差はあるかと思いますが・・・ 参考になれば幸いです。

ラピッドフィストのみ

ブースター無し
31回/min

ブースターあり
31/min

ブースター+WB
31/min

ラピッドフィスト+ドラゴンストライク

ブースター無し
30/min

ブースターあり
30/min

ブースター+WB
30/min

WBが(;p_q)

2009 10/27 12:44 PM
雑魚
 128 

ラピットフィスト→パンチがボス戦ではいいと思います

2010 1/20 4:18 PM
匿名
 129 

↑いいですねー
ただ一回キー操作ミスでびさす逆押ししちゃって恨まれました(’A

2010 1/20 6:07 PM
パルネ
 130 

これは爆裂パンチの片手バージョン?w

2010 2/26 2:08 PM
 131 

投げの火力より強くなっちゃうじゃん

2010 4/4 12:36 PM
匿名
 132 

1撃のダメージならSE無しTTの3倍弱くらい?
やけど攻撃回数がめっぽう少ないけんSEなくてもTTの方が強いよ

2010 4/4 1:36 PM
雑魚
 133 

お前ら強いとか言ってるけど
しょせん3次まで行けないクズばかりだろ
夢見すぎ

2010 4/23 3:26 PM
火炎龍響鬼
 134 

いやいやw
 
何様でクズなんて言ってんですかね
僕も3次まではいったことは無いですが、
サク使えば楽勝でいけるかと、
 
まぁあと23LVもありますけどね。
 
クズというのは
言い過ぎ、
別に夢みるのも人の勝手です。
文句つける理由も無いですしね。

2010 4/23 9:05 PM
匿名
 135 

夢見過ぎって^^;
夢ないやつよりマシだろ。

火力のことはコレを参考に。
http://blog-imgs-38.fc2.com/m/a/p/maplemasumin/masumisan12.html

2010 5/14 8:13 AM
匿名
 136 

楽しめればそれでいいかと?

2010 8/19 11:26 AM
 137 

使用中無敵なんですねこれ

2010 9/2 6:55 PM
匿名
 138 

カンストってなんじゃ

2010 10/23 10:33 AM
火炎龍響鬼
 139 

カンストってのはLVでいうところの
200Lv、
魔法防御力で言うところの
1999ってことです。
 
つまりはメイプルのゲーム内での限界数値のことです。

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